4 12's or.... 2 12's & 2 10's

[cotjones 10+ year member]

why the **** am i JL fanboi?

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[Corey69 10+ year member]

Because hes as stupid as you are

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

ok back to original issue i have yet to hear one logical reason why 2 10w7's will beat 1 13w7... or is it just that any subs/box setup you make is going to be louder than any setup i make? i'll let you go with that one, but even if you test them i won't believe that you didn't make your choice win on purpose unless you give me at least ONE logical reason why the smaller air displacement will get louder. it really just doesn't make sence... SPL is DIRECTLY dependant on air displacement so how can 2 subs beat 1 with more potential air dispacement besides the enclosure of the 13 being improperly designed?

Well, I can see why you haven't, because the entire thread was about 2 10" w6v2s vs. 1 13" w6v2s...no mention of w7s at all.

I'm well aware of how displacement correlates to output, but there you go again, the 1 13 has the POTENTIAL to have more output, and like I've said potential doesn't mean SHIT. The fact is, the two 10" drivers combined have more surface area than the single 13, the only way the single driver is going to have more output is when it is at a higher excursion. I've been saying that all along, but you can't seem to grasp it. Yes the single 13 can get louder, jesus I've been saying that from the start, but it's not always be true, why you can't comprehend that is beyond me.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

lol i would love to but i bet you he is some skinny *** red neck or somethin and i bet he is a goofey lookin motha too
but no id rather see him be wrong again and this time take his subs

but i kno he wont do it cuz hes a vag

you can think what ever you want thats your choice, although i gotta say i'd choose better if i were you...

you in the mean time have done nothing but agree with someone else...

and posed a completely unexceptable senario for me to finally see whos right or wrong...

see what this does is makes it look like you are right beacuse i won't agree to your insane request for me to send him my subs...

the actual case is i know better that i am infact right and you can't come up with a reason to dissagree with me so you throw out you'll agree with me if i do something you know i won't except... it's called backing me into a corner...

so let me call you out mr. bad ***... exept unlike you i live in the real world where you don't ship 800 bucks to a stranger and expect them to send it back... no my request is nothing like that...

my request is that you simply give me 1... just 1... reason why 2 10's are going to beat 1 13 in output when a 13 displaces 277% of the air that a 10 displaces...

now you've been called out... can you answer that? if you can't do that simple little request... than i say you are a bigger ***** than you tried to say i am in your PM...

i will tell you straight up i think you are full of shit and have no knowledge backing your arguement... thats why you ask me to do something you know i won't do.

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[cotjones 10+ year member]

Well, I can see why you haven't, because the entire thread was about 2 10" w6v2s vs. 1 13" w6v2s...no mention of w7s at all.
I'm well aware of how displacement correlates to output, but there you go again, the 1 13 has the POTENTIAL to have more output, and like I've said potential doesn't mean SHIT. The fact is, the two 10" drivers combined have more surface area than the single 13, the only way the single driver is going to have more output is when it is at a higher excursion. I've been saying that all along, but you can't seem to grasp it. Yes the single 13 can get louder, jesus I've been saying that from the start, but it's not always be true, why you can't comprehend that is beyond me.

you are saying my entire point... yes the 13 takes more excursion to match the 10's output but this increased level of excursion is still less of a percentage of the driver's total potential in the 13 than in the 10's do you understand that?

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

what i'm basically saying is that at half excursion of both setups the 13 is going to be louder... yes half excursion farther for the 13 than the 10's but why does that matter? it's using less power to reach that level... so even though the 13's excursion is higher, it has a higher maximum excursion so the higher excursion is comforatable to the 13... does any part of that not make sence?

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

you are saying my entire point... yes the 13 takes more excursion to match the 10's output but this increased level of excursion is still less of a percentage of the driver's total potential in the 13 than in the 10's do you understand that?

Congrats that the 13 is using less throw to have similar output, that really proves nothing, other than what I just typed. The fact that the 13 has more usable linear excursion, really means nothing other than that.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Well, I can see why you haven't, because the entire thread was about 2 10" w6v2s vs. 1 13" w6v2s...no mention of w7s at all.
I'm well aware of how displacement correlates to output, but there you go again, the 1 13 has the POTENTIAL to have more output, and like I've said potential doesn't mean SHIT. The fact is, the two 10" drivers combined have more surface area than the single 13, the only way the single driver is going to have more output is when it is at a higher excursion. I've been saying that all along, but you can't seem to grasp it. Yes the single 13 can get louder, jesus I've been saying that from the start, but it's not always be true, why you can't comprehend that is beyond me.

ok i think i found the misunderstanding, you are saying that when the excursion levels are the same in both setups, then the output is more for the 10's correct?

 

[bdawson72 5,000+ posts]

I wish this thread would die

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

what i'm basically saying is that at half excursion of both setups the 13 is going to be louder... yes half excursion farther for the 13 than the 10's but why does that matter? it's using less power to reach that level... so even though the 13's excursion is higher, it has a higher maximum excursion so the higher excursion is comforatable to the 13... does any part of that not make sence?

It does, I'm aware of how a speaker works, but unless xmax, xsus and xmech are the same, I don't think that the 10s are going to be 'uncomfortable' as you put it...

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I wish this thread would die

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[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

ok i think i found the misunderstanding, you are saying that when the excursion levels are the same in both setups, then the output is more for the 10's correct?

Um yea, I've been saying that all along...

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

It does, I'm aware of how a speaker works, but unless xmax, xsus and xmech are the same, I don't think that the 10s are going to be 'uncomfortable' as you put it...

i didn't say the 10's would be uncomfortable, i said the 13 would be comfortable

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

i didn't say the 10's would be uncomfortable, i said the 13 would be comfortable

Yes, but your logic is that one is comfortable so the others must be the opposite, and it isn't true.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Um yea, I've been saying that all along...

well i agree with that... the reason i have been puzzeled is because that means nothing whatsoever... the excursion of the 13 will always be higher than the tens when given the same amount of power, infact much higher, thus the 13 is going to be louder at every level of power... is this not correct?