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What are you talking about? Did I mention the Z06 at all? I know it's a fast car..
If nobody drives fast then why need 500hp? Why doesn't everyone drive a Prius? I love going to Angeles Crest Highway in LA or up to Snoqualmie up here. Curvy mountain roads for days.
no but you said American cars don't handle, and i mentioned the ZO6 has a lot of high dollar European cars licked in both handling and speed and the new ZR1 is even better beating the Nissan GTR.

 
no but you said American cars don't handle, and i mentioned the ZO6 has a lot of high dollar European cars licked in both handling and speed and the new ZR1 is even better beating the Nissan GTR.
Not exactly what I said but ok. How many of America's vehicles in the past 30 years have been great at handling? Not many. Ya the ZO6 is a badass car. I'd love to get one but there are a couple others on my list first. The ZR1 is crazy too. So why can't cars like the Camaro and Challenger have some suspension upgrades to take somewhat of a curve? Why does the Vette have to be the only **** American car that likes a curvy road? (The CTS-V is pretty **** fast too from what I hear.)

 
Not exactly what I said but ok. How many of America's vehicles in the past 30 years have been great at handling? Not many. Ya the ZO6 is a badass car. I'd love to get one but there are a couple others on my list first. The ZR1 is crazy too. So why can't cars like the Camaro and Challenger have some suspension upgrades to take somewhat of a curve? Why does the Vette have to be the only **** American car that likes a curvy road? (The CTS-V is pretty **** fast too from what I hear.)
Huh? The Viper for past couple years has the vette beat in overall lateral Gs and cornering.

 
Huh? The Viper for past couple years has the vette beat in overall lateral Gs and cornering.
You guys are missing the big picture. Ok yes, Viper, Vette, CTS-V. Also the Saleen, Mosler, couple other smaller ones too I'm sure. Just seems like 90% of the high performance vehicles released in America only emphasize huge engines. Seems like the goal hasn't evolved much from 1969 to 2009. Big engine, small car, go fast in straight line.

 
The original is the one that is the real "headturner" Most people, if they saw both of them driving down the road, would pay way more attention to the original than the "New" version.
The buzz created by this car shows you are simply wrong. But I do find it amusing you think you speak for 'most people'.
If you really want a car that looks like an extremely popular car of yesteryear, than buy that car, not some new car that "looks" kinda the same.
You've obviously never owned an old school bigblock high-perf muscle car. I myself would rather own a 69 RS/SS too, but not for a daily driver. The fact that you obviously think the new Camaro is simply a copy of the old one, only bigger and heavier, just shows how shallow your thinking on this subject is.
It's like a kit car, it looks like the original, but you're still a poser if you buy one.
Yes, someone buying a new Camaro that is styled after an old one is the same thing as someone buying an AC Cobra kit car built on a 1979 MustangII chassis and trying to pass it off as the real thing. Good call. If you are so quick to judge people by what they drive, what's in your garage? Just curious what kind of car is cool enough for a non-poser such as yourself.
 
Not exactly what I said but ok. How many of America's vehicles in the past 30 years have been great at handling? Not many. Ya the ZO6 is a badass car. I'd love to get one but there are a couple others on my list first. The ZR1 is crazy too. So why can't cars like the Camaro and Challenger have some suspension upgrades to take somewhat of a curve? Why does the Vette have to be the only **** American car that likes a curvy road? (The CTS-V is pretty **** fast too from what I hear.)
Who says there aren't or wont be suspension upgrades. You can make a mid 60's impala handle like a decent street racer if you want to put the mods into it.

European and Japanese cars have traditionally cornered better while American cars tend to be more designed around straight line performance and light cornering. Wonder why? Go drive some uropean streets, as compared to our laviously wide and long interstates and highways, and you'll better understand. I can respect the cornering performance of the smaller cars, why is it so hard to respect the performance of cars designed for a different intended environment and use?

The Z06 has been setting the supercar world on its ear the past few years because its been so successful at competing, performance wise, with many Exotics that cost much much more. For the price, its been one hell of a performer.

Huh? The Viper for past couple years has the vette beat in overall lateral Gs and cornering.
That's simply not true. The Viper has been a dominate force in road racing, but its weak point has been cornering. Smaller cars like the Corvette, BMW's and Porches corner better, but the brute strength of the vipers in the straight-aways was what won them all those races.

 
The buzz created by this car shows you are simply wrong. But I do find it amusing you think you speak for 'most people'.
You've obviously never owned an old school bigblock high-perf muscle car. I myself would rather own a 69 RS/SS too, but not for a daily driver. The fact that you obviously think the new Camaro is simply a copy of the old one, only bigger and heavier, just shows how shallow your thinking on this subject is.

Yes, someone buying a new Camaro that is styled after an old one is the same thing as someone buying an AC Cobra kit car built on a 1979 MustangII chassis and trying to pass it off as the real thing. Good call. If you are so quick to judge people by what they drive, what's in your garage? Just curious what kind of car is cool enough for a non-poser such as yourself.
I never said anything about the performance of the New camaro, just the styling. If you have either car, it won't be all that good as a daily driver.

I drive a turboed 89 mustang that I'm trying to sell so I can buy an "old school" Chevy muscle car or a GN.

 
I never said anything about the performance of the New camaro, just the styling. If you have either car, it won't be all that good as a daily driver. I drive a turboed 89 mustang that I'm trying to sell so I can buy an "old school" Chevy muscle car or a GN.
You cant compare the cars in a vacuum. Your statements were that the new car is a waste because if someone wants a car that looks like an old one, they will buy an old one. When I mention you are comparing an antique muscle car with very little in the way of technological conveniences aimed at comuting in the modern world, your reply is you were only talking about looks. Well, what if someone wanrs a car that LOOKS like an old one, but performs like a modern car that you can easily comute in? Sure, we could all run out and spend $100k to buy a 69 and have a shop modify/modernize it, or we could jsut run down to the dealership and buy a new camaro (or challenger for that matter) for a small fraction of that price. Some of you are forgetting the sticker price of a decent 69 'maro these days, go look it up.
Driving a turbo'd 89 mustang daily is a far cry from driving a cammed out bigblock antique with a manual transmission or stall converter, no AC, Vinyl seats, and parts that are hard to locate/purchase anymore. Again, your analysis of 'if someone wants an extremely popular car of yesteryear, than buy that car, not some new car that "looks" kinda the same' is you merely looking at the aesthetics of the cars, and not thinking the entire thought through before laying down your judgement on the viability of the design. Your half-thought has been noted, thanks for that.

Detroit has tried 'new design' cues for plenty of years, some with sucess, some without. But muscle cars from the late 60's have been extremely popular for a couple decades now as collectables, and IMO Detroit trying to cash in on that nostalgia and remind us of their 'golden era' was quite smart of them. Say what you want about how it looks, how it performs, whatever... you cannot deny this generation of Camaro has generated more buzz than any other gen released in my lifetime or yours.

 
You cant compare the cars in a vacuum. Your statements were that the new car is a waste because if someone wants a car that looks like an old one, they will buy an old one. When I mention you are comparing an antique muscle car with very little in the way of technological conveniences aimed at comuting in the modern world, your reply is you were only talking about looks. Well, what if someone wanrs a car that LOOKS like an old one, but performs like a modern car that you can easily comute in? Sure, we could all run out and spend $100k to buy a 69 and have a shop modify/modernize it, or we could jsut run down to the dealership and buy a new camaro (or challenger for that matter) for a small fraction of that price. Some of you are forgetting the sticker price of a decent 69 'maro these days, go look it up.
Driving a turbo'd 89 mustang daily is a far cry from driving a cammed out bigblock antique with a manual transmission or stall converter, no AC, Vinyl seats, and parts that are hard to locate/purchase anymore. Again, your analysis of 'if someone wants an extremely popular car of yesteryear, than buy that car, not some new car that "looks" kinda the same' is you merely looking at the aesthetics of the cars, and not thinking the entire thought through before laying down your judgement on the viability of the design. Your half-thought has been noted, thanks for that.

Detroit has tried 'new design' cues for plenty of years, some with sucess, some without. But muscle cars from the late 60's have been extremely popular for a couple decades now as collectables, and IMO Detroit trying to cash in on that nostalgia and remind us of their 'golden era' was quite smart of them. Say what you want about how it looks, how it performs, whatever... you cannot deny this generation of Camaro has generated more buzz than any other gen released in my lifetime or yours.
True.

 
the new SS drove next to me today.... I was a little disappointed that the thing was extremely quiet. an SS needs to have a little rumble.... I know its stock but geeezzz.

 
You cant compare the cars in a vacuum. Your statements were that the new car is a waste because if someone wants a car that looks like an old one, they will buy an old one. When I mention you are comparing an antique muscle car with very little in the way of technological conveniences aimed at comuting in the modern world, your reply is you were only talking about looks. Well, what if someone wanrs a car that LOOKS like an old one, but performs like a modern car that you can easily comute in? Sure, we could all run out and spend $100k to buy a 69 and have a shop modify/modernize it, or we could jsut run down to the dealership and buy a new camaro (or challenger for that matter) for a small fraction of that price. Some of you are forgetting the sticker price of a decent 69 'maro these days, go look it up.
Driving a turbo'd 89 mustang daily is a far cry from driving a cammed out bigblock antique with a manual transmission or stall converter, no AC, Vinyl seats, and parts that are hard to locate/purchase anymore. Again, your analysis of 'if someone wants an extremely popular car of yesteryear, than buy that car, not some new car that "looks" kinda the same' is you merely looking at the aesthetics of the cars, and not thinking the entire thought through before laying down your judgement on the viability of the design. Your half-thought has been noted, thanks for that.

Detroit has tried 'new design' cues for plenty of years, some with sucess, some without. But muscle cars from the late 60's have been extremely popular for a couple decades now as collectables, and IMO Detroit trying to cash in on that nostalgia and remind us of their 'golden era' was quite smart of them. Say what you want about how it looks, how it performs, whatever... you cannot deny this generation of Camaro has generated more buzz than any other gen released in my lifetime or yours.
I do understand where you're coming from with the modern conveniences thing, and the cost as well. I can see why people would want one, its just not my cup of tea. And it probably is only half thought out just because I look at a car mainly by aesthetics and decide if I like it or not.

For the record, my mustang is not my daily driver by far, I only put like 2,000 miles on it in the 2 years I've had it. And if I'm going to buy a performance car it would never be my daily driver so not having all the ammenities doesn't bother me at all. My mustang doesn't have a radio, doesn't have power steering, doesn't have A/C, the interior is hideous red plaid, and has drag radials that make it completely useless for anything other than sunny days.

 
I do understand where you're coming from with the modern conveniences thing, and the cost as well. I can see why people would want one, its just not my cup of tea. And it probably is only half thought out just because I look at a car mainly by aesthetics and decide if I like it or not.For the record, my mustang is not my daily driver by far, I only put like 2,000 miles on it in the 2 years I've had it. And if I'm going to buy a performance car it would never be my daily driver so not having all the ammenities doesn't bother me at all. My mustang doesn't have a radio, doesn't have power steering, doesn't have A/C, the interior is hideous red plaid, and has drag radials that make it completely useless for anything other than sunny days.
It wont be everyone's cup of tea. Neither is a 69 Camaro, in any form.

I wouldn't want to drive your mustang daily either, mainly due to the plaid (and ford emblem), but Im not sure what that has to do with a discussion on the viability or popularity of the new Camaro.

 
ffs 2010 camaro has the exact same brakes, rotors, and SINGLE piston calipers as my friend 1996 honda accord. idk about you but im scared to know what else they have skimped on..... seriously that has to weigh atleast a few thousand lbs more and it has a more powerful engine !@?#

 
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