18 audioque hdc3 what hz box

[TrlcKed_OuT 10+ year member]

i have mine in a 6FT^3 @ 32hz and its WAY loud but very musical!! I power it with a Audioque 3500.

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

You know........it seems that everything is great on the low 30s. That is what everyone says anyhow. Every time I mention anything higher, everyone seems to chime in and bring that number right back down to the low 30s. So, the point is, why should anyone ask anymore if everyone says the same for every driver? Here is a solution to all, if you want to be the same......everyone use 30-35hz for daily. That is all. Problem and question solved. Sorry, I just find that amusing is all.

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

I'm talking the original hd3c's, I forgot they changed them again. the ones with the dd/soundstream baskets on them.

Also American Bass and a few others use the same baskets... I won't go into more detail about which brands have similar/same subs lol...it is obvious enough.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

I always go by what is flattest responding. I'm tuned to 56hz right now on my sub stage. You will very very rarely see me recommending to tune a box in the low 30's

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

You know........it seems that everything is great on the low 30s. That is what everyone says anyhow. Every time I mention anything higher, everyone seems to chime in and bring that number right back down to the low 30s. So, the point is, why should anyone ask anymore if everyone says the same for every driver? Here is a solution to all, if you want to be the same......everyone use 30-35hz for daily. That is all. Problem and question solved. Sorry, I just find that amusing is all.

I hope this was not directed at me?

I'm basing mine of personal knowledge of this exact driver and how they perform(I was employed by AQ/DD for a while being over Tech/Customer Service for AQ). I was not basing it off of "everything should be tuned the same" idea. I don't agree with that idea what so ever. There any many things to take into consideration for tuning, sub/port placements, and design. However, this was a generic question and my answer was as well.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

I hope this was not directed at me?
I'm basing mine of personal knowledge of this exact driver and how they perform(I was employed by AQ/DD for a while being over Tech/Customer Service for AQ). I was not basing it off of "everything should be tuned the same" idea. I don't agree with that idea what so ever. There any many things to take into consideration for tuning, sub/port placements, and design. However, this was a generic question and my answer was as well.

I gave up on trying to explain that your ''tuning freq'' means jack but the simple answer always wins

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

I gave up on trying to explain that your ''tuning freq'' means jack but the simple answer always wins

Mobile and I have went back and forth before. If we have a disagreement it is normally from one of us misunderstanding the other one is all. I can see where if you glance through many of the tuning questions on this forum(and many other forums) you find everyone saying low 30s(or even lower).

I have found that regardless of building to a flat response or not, you have to cater to what the customer wants. I have had customers who want very peaky high tuned enclosures and some who didn't care about anything over 35 hz...so in the end as with everything in audio, personal preference wins out every time.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

I won't design for other people I get sick of the '' I need it tuned to 25hz so I can hit lows cause other wise I set my ssf 5hz under tuning and wonder why I can't hit under 35hz. I am tuned to 56hz and still hit to single digit freq's

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

I won't design for other people I get sick of the '' I need it tuned to 25hz so I can hit lows cause other wise I set my ssf 5hz under tuning and wonder why I can't hit under 35hz. I am tuned to 56hz and still hit to single digit freq's

Yep, I get that some times. However, I can normally educate them to understand what they really need. The ones I hate are the I need for this sub in this space...and no matter how many times you tell them it won't work they won't listen.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

I got that a lot as well, the best was when I got the box all designed to his specs. he built it then yells at me for it not fitting cause he measured wrong. Oh well. I'm not good at explaining things anyway. it's best for me to not need to rely on my teaching skills

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

I hope this was not directed at me?
I'm basing mine of personal knowledge of this exact driver and how they perform(I was employed by AQ/DD for a while being over Tech/Customer Service for AQ). I was not basing it off of "everything should be tuned the same" idea. I don't agree with that idea what so ever. There any many things to take into consideration for tuning, sub/port placements, and design. However, this was a generic question and my answer was as well.

No, not at any single person. Just in general. But I must say also, that enclosure physics play a part in the performance at those specific mentioned requirements. For instance, if you always design enclosures for them the same fashion, you will always notice the same trend of what works or not. if you explore different methods of enclosure design, and likely more proper ones, then you may notice that tuning is not much of an important factor in overall response. If you limit yourself to a conventional form, you will find repetitive results. That is all I was saying. Dont take it personal.

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

Mobile and I have went back and forth before. If we have a disagreement it is normally from one of us misunderstanding the other one is all. I can see where if you glance through many of the tuning questions on this forum(and many other forums) you find everyone saying low 30s(or even lower).
I have found that regardless of building to a flat response or not, you have to cater to what the customer wants. I have had customers who want very peaky high tuned enclosures and some who didn't care about anything over 35 hz...so in the end as with everything in audio, personal preference wins out every time.

Very true my friend! And that is ok though.

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

I won't design for other people I get sick of the '' I need it tuned to 25hz so I can hit lows cause other wise I set my ssf 5hz under tuning and wonder why I can't hit under 35hz. I am tuned to 56hz and still hit to single digit freq's

Exactly. I will mention optimized performance to people everytime. if they want something different, and it will work. I will explain the losses and gains involved so they can get a comparison and when a decision is made, it is made by them. I can only recommend on my part, but my recommendations are different than manufacturers for a reason, so sometimes when I recommend something, people think "if it is a recommendation, it has to be off". This is only true when personal preference does not match the optimmum specifications. To me, it is the personal preference that creates the error in the design performance, but since our ears are designed to blend audible error into normality, we get used to mistakes made in audio. This is the reason why some people cannot enjoy a flat response. Even if it is what is best for musical output.

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

I must say, I love talking with all of you. I think a lot of important topics can be discussed between us and you guys are very respectful and knowledgeable and I appreciate that.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

I have a very very hard time explaining how things work and respond with smaller words that I know every body knows. I used to get a lot of ''huh's'' when I was designing and some one asked me to explain why their box was tuned way higher then another person's design. the biggest problem I have with man. recommendations is the the total absence of cabin geometry and size. if I raise my box 1.5'' in my car I lose all response below 28hz. How would a general recommendation realize that?