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Buck
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Well, ai is the new war, new manhattan project. Just like Oppenheimer and the nuclear bomb during ww2, whoever wins ai wins ww3.
Buck
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little alien on campus
This is what I mean:
"Nov 19 (Reuters) - A U.S. congressional commission on Tuesday proposed a Manhattan Project-style initiative to fund the development of AI systems that will be as smart or smarter than humans, amid intensifying competition with China over advanced technologies."
That has nothing to do with local electricity pricing...
If there was a serious AI push, there'd be a corresponding push to increase production capacity to supply the power needs...until there's a serious push (not renewables) for power plant construction then you can take the AI push seriously.
The federal government has the ability to easily fast track permits and construction on the basis of national security but that isn't happening...so far it's nothing but lip service from the white house on this
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Buck
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I disagree; there's a race to win ai and ai data centers are taking huge amounts of electricity (and water) away from people. States and local areas, in order for the whole nation to keep an edge on ai, they need to restrict the average persons electricity usage to win the ai war vs china.
Like how we are unfairly targeted for emissions when china is building dirty coal plant after dirty coal plant able to get all the electricity they need, meanwhile they're trying to make us civilians in the US conserve energy.
Eye-popping electric bills come due as price of AI revolution
Even if you've never used ChatGPT or generated an AI image, chances are you're already paying for it.
www.newsweek.com
"This summer, electricity bills surged across the eastern United States. In Trenton, New Jersey, the average home's monthly bill rose by $26. In Columbus, Ohio, it climbed $27, driven largely by rising costs in the region's wholesale power markets. According to figures from AEP Ohio and regional monitors, demand from data centers is a key factor behind those increases."
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So instead of tens of millions of people dying, they battle with computers?
OK.
Buck
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little alien on campus
there is a huge push to build nuclear reactors to power ai data centers, like 3 mile island nuclear, small modular nuclear reactor tech (SMR) has been developed or talked about a lot in relation to power ai data centers. I mean trump did the ai stargate agreement early on
Microsoft Can Take The Lead In Small Modular Reactors For Powering AI
Small modular reactors (SMRs) have an essential role to play in powering the data centers big tech companies need for growing their artificial intelligence capabilities.
www.forbes.com
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Buck
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little alien on campus
"Small modular reactors (SMRs) are poised to become the backbone of AI infrastructure, with tech giants committing over $10 billion to nuclear partnerships and 22 gigawatts of projects in development globally. The first commercial SMR-powered data centers will come online by 2030, marking a pivotal shift in how we power the digital economy. This convergence of nuclear technology and artificial intelligence addresses a critical challenge: AI data centers will consume 945 terawatt-hours annually by 2030—equivalent to the entire electricity consumption of Japan—while demanding 24/7 carbon-free power that only nuclear can reliably provide."
introl.com
www.popsci.com
SMRs Power AI: $10B Nuclear Data Center Revolution
Tech giants commit $10B+ to small modular reactors for AI data centers. First SMR facilities online by 2030 to meet AI's 945 TWh energy demand.
Google bets big on 'mini' nuclear reactors to feed its AI demands
Google says the agreement could 'unlock the full potential of AI for everyone.'
www.popsci.com
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Small scale reactors aren't new tech and there's no realistic push to build plants in general (of any kind). The feds have plenty of tools to fast track building and permits but nothing is being done beyond lip service. There's talk and meaningless bills but zero actual action...so no local peak pricing has nothing to do with ai...you're giving shitty politicians way too much credit here
It's not new tech...this is stuff that could've been built a decade ago...yet there's no shovels in the dirt"Small modular reactors (SMRs) are poised to become the backbone of AI infrastructure, with tech giants committing over $10 billion to nuclear partnerships and 22 gigawatts of projects in development globally. The first commercial SMR-powered data centers will come online by 2030, marking a pivotal shift in how we power the digital economy. This convergence of nuclear technology and artificial intelligence addresses a critical challenge: AI data centers will consume 945 terawatt-hours annually by 2030—equivalent to the entire electricity consumption of Japan—while demanding 24/7 carbon-free power that only nuclear can reliably provide."
SMRs Power AI: $10B Nuclear Data Center Revolution
Tech giants commit $10B+ to small modular reactors for AI data centers. First SMR facilities online by 2030 to meet AI's 945 TWh energy demand.
Google bets big on 'mini' nuclear reactors to feed its AI demands
Google says the agreement could 'unlock the full potential of AI for everyone.'
Buck
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little alien on campus
I'm not saying it's new. All I'm saying is the availability of electricity is becoming less and the price of electricity is becoming more because of the rapid expansion of ai data centers. So when any politician tries to limit electricity usage during a race to build ai, I can't help but assume ai is actually the end game reason. Like the push for smart homes and smart appliances, it's all the same thing IMO.
The "race" is all talk at this point...if it was real thing there'd be a push to build infrastructure.
Right now it's like saying there's a race to produce ammunition while working with a limited supply of powder...it's just some to look good on
Says the guy who thinks he owns a house, carries a gun, and is going somewhere in life.
Buck
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little alien on campus
I don't understand what you mean when you say there isn't a push already to build infrastructure....
Facing competition from Big Tech, states dangle incentives and loosen laws to attract power plants
Facing spiking energy demand, U.S. states are pressing for ways to build new power plants faster as policymakers try to protect residents from higher electric bills and keep their economies on track.
apnews.com
Exxon's CEO touted this 'huge advantage' in building power plants for AI data centers | Fortune
"Our view is we'll bring this on faster than anybody else in the industry, and we'll certainly bring it on faster than any other opportunities for decarbonization."
Hitachi Gives US Power Grid A $1 Billion Boost To Feed AI's Insatiable Appetite For Electricity
Global tech and energy manufacturer Hitachi Energy announced a landmark $1 billion investment to expand the production of critical electrical grid infrastructure in the United States.
OPPD adds 2 new power plants to the district to meet growing demands
With the rise in manufacturing and AI, the need for energy is greater than ever. In response, OPPD is adding new natural gas power plants
I can go on and on and on with examples idk what you mean there isn't a push
SMR development:
"The project relies on utilizing the NuScale Power Module, a type of Small Modular Reactor (SMR).
“NuScale remains the first and only US NRC-approved SMR technology ready for commercial deployment, making this program a reality,” stated NuScale in a press release.
This certification is a required regulatory step for deploying new reactor designs in the United States.
The NuScale SMR’s design integrates the reactor core, steam generators, and pressurizer into a single, compact vessel.This design offers several potential advantages. The modules can be produced in a factory setting and then shipped to the site, a process that can reduce construction costs and timelines compared to traditional nuclear plants."
US to build 'historic' nuclear plant to power 4.5 million homes
TVA's new agreement will provide 5.5 GW of clean, reliable power for critical industries like AI and semiconductor manufacturing.
interestingengineering.com
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