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[ThxOne Premium Member]

@RobGMN

"'China will continue to be a relevant manufacturing hub for the rest of the world, but specifically for North America, less than 10 percent of the products will come from there, which is, as you know [a] very big change from where we were a few years ago,' HP Inc. CEO Enrique Lores said during the company’s earnings call Thursday.


The change means that, from October 31, 2025, only one tenth of HP products destined for North America will come from China, with HP turning to a more diverse supply chain to both reduce its reliance on China amid ongoing trade wars and enhance its resilience more generally.Feb 28, 2025"

Oh and yes, iPhones are cheap garbage. Their own company won't stand behind them. Instead they will just sell you a new piece of crap.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

When no it comes to them being paid as goods arrive in port, yes.
And yes, we know that you know a guy who knows a guy who struck a deal with his supplier in China for the supplier to reimburse the importer for half of the import tariff.
That does not mean that the exporter pays the tariff. If the exporter decides to back out of the deal while the goods are on their way here, the importer is on the hook for the full amount.
The US government cannot call the exporter and tell them that they have to pay the bill. That's not how important tariffs work

Specifically, I noted the bias in the article and it's oversight regarding the fact exporters will share the pain. You're so caught up in being right you completely miss the point.

And? When stuff was made in the US, people wanted the lowest price possible. That's why you ended up with companies like e-machines producing computers at a much lower price than other companies were doing.
It's market competition.
Eventually, the only way to beat the competition was to find a cheaper way to manufacture the goods. Hence, outsourcing.
The genie is out of the bottle, and it's not going back. But, you seem to think that it is. So again, tell me how we can bring manufacturing back here without knocking the minimum wage down to two dollars an hour, or driving prices far beyond what they are already.

I don't remember the US paying $2/hr to build computers. The US economy will inevitably collapse if it no longer produces products and attempts to survive on printed money. Why are leftists so opposed to bringing jobs to the US?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

@RobGMN

"'China will continue to be a relevant manufacturing hub for the rest of the world, but specifically for North America, less than 10 percent of the products will come from there, which is, as you know [a] very big change from where we were a few years ago,' HP Inc. CEO Enrique Lores said during the company’s earnings call Thursday.


The change means that, from October 31, 2025, only one tenth of HP products destined for North America will come from China, with HP turning to a more diverse supply chain to both reduce its reliance on China amid ongoing trade wars and enhance its resilience more generally.Feb 28, 2025"

Oh and yes, iPhones are cheap garbage. Their own company won't stand behind them. Instead they will just sell you a new piece of crap.

Selling you new phone every couple of years is Apple's business model.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Interesting video on how Psyops are conducted. They go into brainwashing, etc too. Alot of focus on why women seem brainwashed in the dating world. I don't know if I totally agree with everything, but it is an interesting look into how the brain works.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Why, why the **** do you argue? Yes, if the CHINESE GOVERNMENT sells something to the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT and ships it to the United States, CHINA WILL PAY THE TARIFF DIRECTLY TO THE UNITED STATES. The US isn't going to pay itself the ******* tariff. Nor is a "US government agency"... which is just another way to say the US government. If CHINA has paid a "US government agency" IT HAS PAID THE US ******* GOVERNMENT.

You liberals will argue even when in agreement but you will use different words or try to rephrase it to make it look like you are right when your point is the same as the other side. Just stupid.

All of of your blustering, and you could simply look up on the US CBP website and at The Tariff Act (19 U.S.C. 1311) how import tariffs work.
And, how they work is the opposite of your belief.

Do you simply luxuriate in saying stuff that is patently false? Do you get some weird thrill out of it? Or do you REALLY think in your heart of hearts that simply because you BELIEVE something, it is then fact?
Those are not rhetorical questions. I am actually interested in your answers.

BTW, the US Government pays itself all the time. Do you think there is just one huge bank account that they all draw off of, and it gets balanced each year?
Sorry, not how it works: The Economy Act ( 31 U.S.C. 1535) authorizes agencies to enter into agreements to obtain supplies or services from another agency.
(d)Payment. (1)The servicing agency may ask the requesting agency, in writing, for advance payment for all or part of the estimated cost of furnishing the supplies or services.

NO exporter from any country is required to pay ANY US import tariff when their shipped goods enter the US, unless they also act as an importer within the united states under the same company.

When BestBuy imports 10,000 LG displays from China, BestBuy pays for the TVs, LG ships them. When they GET here, LG pays the import tariff BEFORE the goods can be picked up and brought to a warehouse. US CBP does NOT call up LG and say "Hey, you owe us the 140% tariff on these displays". Not how it works.
"If one wishes to postpone release of the goods, they may be placed in a CBP bonded warehouse under a warehouse entry. At any time during that period, warehoused goods may be re-exported without paying duty, or they may be withdrawn for consumption upon paying duty at the duty rate in effect on the date of withdrawal."

The importer wants their stuff? They are PAYING AT THE DUTY RATE ON THE DATE OF WITHDRAWAL.

That's the LAW, not a "leftist interpretation to make Trump look bad" like you WANT it to be.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

All of of your blustering, and you could simply look up on the US CBP website and at The Tariff Act (19 U.S.C. 1311) how import tariffs work.
And, how they work is the opposite of your belief.

Do you simply luxuriate in saying stuff that is patently false? Do you get some weird thrill out of it? Or do you REALLY think in your heart of hearts that simply because you BELIEVE something, it is then fact?
Those are not rhetorical questions. I am actually interested in your answers.

BTW, the US Government pays itself all the time. Do you think there is just one huge bank account that they all draw off of, and it gets balanced each year?
Sorry, not how it works: The Economy Act ( 31 U.S.C. 1535) authorizes agencies to enter into agreements to obtain supplies or services from another agency.
(d)Payment. (1)The servicing agency may ask the requesting agency, in writing, for advance payment for all or part of the estimated cost of furnishing the supplies or services.

NO exporter from any country is required to pay ANY US import tariff when their shipped goods enter the US, unless they also act as an importer within the united states under the same company.

When BestBuy imports 10,000 LG displays from China, BestBuy pays for the TVs, LG ships them. When they GET here, LG pays the import tariff BEFORE the goods can be picked up and brought to a warehouse. US CBP does NOT call up LG and say "Hey, you owe us the 140% tariff on these displays". Not how it works.
"If one wishes to postpone release of the goods, they may be placed in a CBP bonded warehouse under a warehouse entry. At any time during that period, warehoused goods may be re-exported without paying duty, or they may be withdrawn for consumption upon paying duty at the duty rate in effect on the date of withdrawal."

The importer wants their stuff? They are PAYING AT THE DUTY RATE ON THE DATE OF WITHDRAWAL.

That's the LAW, not a "leftist interpretation to make Trump look bad" like you WANT it to be.

Anything to continue arguing.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Suddenly tariffs are paid differently when I post shit but when Rob is "the importer" he pays the tariff. Not some agency or actual importer... Rob, is the importer.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Not a cult, not a cult at ALL

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Specifically, I noted the bias in the article and it's oversight regarding the fact exporters will share the pain. You're so caught up in being right you completely miss the point.

Exporters will share the pain when the Trump tariffs get so stupidly high that the consumer decides to stop buying imported products.
I'll still pay triple for an imported product over paying quadruple for a local product. It's common sense.

I don't remember the US paying $2/hr to build computers. The US economy will inevitably collapse if it no longer produces products and attempts to survive on printed money. Why are leftists so opposed to bringing jobs to the US?

Again, I'll ask you to explain how we can bring back mfg. to the US without paying ridiculously low wages, or jacking up prices a LOT.
I used Nike as the example.
Can you provide a business plan that brings their mfg. here, with workers that are paid a living wage, with retail prices remaining stable, and with Nike maintaining their profit margins?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Suddenly tariffs are paid differently when I post shit but when Rob is "the importer" he pays the tariff. Not some agency or actual importer... Rob, is the importer.

Poor attempt at deflection. And it shows even more that you have no clue what you are talking about.

Anyone who brings product into the US is an importer. You don't need a tax ID, you don't need to be incorporated, you don't need an LLC, you don't have to get a shipping container full, or a pallet full of goods.

Bring ONE item in, and you are an importer: 19 CFR § 101.1(l) defines an importer as the "person primarily liable for the payment of any duties on the merchandise, or an authorized agent acting on his behalf."
When I order a single c/f bike frame from overseas and it arrives here at CBP, I am the IMPORTER and I will have to pay the IMPORT TARIFF before they release the bike to me.

Hint for the uninitiated: "CFR" means "Code of Federal Regulation". "In the law of the United States, the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) is the codification of the general and permanent regulations promulgated by the executive departments and agencies of the federal government of the United States."

This means that the definition of "importer" is not some "leftist interpretation of words to make Trump look bad"; it is Federal LAW.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Poor attempt at deflection. And it shows even more that you have no clue what you are talking about.

Anyone who brings product into the US is an importer.

Except the US Government. Right? Then it's an agency or some bullshit so you can claim you aren't wrong when I made that very point.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Exporters will share the pain when the Trump tariffs get so stupidly high that the consumer decides to stop buying imported products.
I'll still pay triple for an imported product over paying quadruple for a local product. It's common sense.

Again, I'll ask you to explain how we can bring back mfg. to the US without paying ridiculously low wages, or jacking up prices a LOT.
I used Nike as the example.
Can you provide a business plan that brings their mfg. here, with workers that are paid a living wage, with retail prices remaining stable, and with Nike maintaining their profit margins?

It's amazing that Nike ever even came into existence manufacturing in the US.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Except the US Government. Right? Then it's an agency or some bullshit so you can claim you aren't wrong when I made that very point.

If a US government agency gets product from a foreign foreign place, then that agency is the IMPORTER, and they pay IMPORT TARIFFS.

That crazy leftist group known as the US Military, talking about the tariffs and how paying them can affect prices:

Military stores prepare for tariffs, aiming to keep costs down

Military store officials expect tariffs to affect exchanges, including the availability and cost of certain items.

www.militarytimes.com

You do realize that agencies are arms of the government, yes? For example, the Department Of Defense is an agency under the executive branch?
As an agency, the DOD pays import tariffs on goods they import into the US. They pay it to a different agency. Interagency purchases and spending are not a new thing created to make Trump look bad. They are part of federal law, as I already had to explain to you.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

If a US government agency gets product from a foreign foreign place, then that agency is the IMPORTER, and they pay IMPORT TARIFFS.

That crazy leftist group known as the US Military, talking about the tariffs and how paying them can affect prices:

Military stores prepare for tariffs, aiming to keep costs down

Military store officials expect tariffs to affect exchanges, including the availability and cost of certain items.

www.militarytimes.com

You do realize that agencies are arms of the government, yes? For example, the Department Of Defense is an agency under the executive branch?
As an agency, the DOD pays import tariffs on goods they import into the US. They pay it to a different agency. Interagency purchases and spending are not a new thing created to make Trump look bad. They are part of federal law, as I already had to explain to you.

Yes, arms of as in ARE THE GOVERNMENT. The Army is a US Government Military. Jesus Christ.... I get so tired of you going in circles and circles just to argue like a jack ***.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Yes, arms of as in ARE THE GOVERNMENT. The Army is a US Government Military. Jesus Christ.... I get so tired of you going in circles and circles just to argue like a jack ***.

"Then it's an agency or some bullshit" As if an agency is "some bullshit" that is not part of the government, and that is why they pay import tariffs.

You TRY to argue in a circle until you convince others you are right.
Maybe it works on the sub-80 IQ people you hang around with, but it fails here.