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[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Good news everyone. Google has removed the restriction on the site’s search listings and they have rebounded substantially. Hopefully site activity and member engagement will continue to improve…

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That would explain getting new questions on the site

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Here Rob, show me where he walked it back or said they won't be able to bring prices down.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Biden inherited an economy in the shitter following recession.
Trump is inheriting inflation that has been declining for two years, directly and clearly claimed that he will lower grocery costs, and now says he might not be able to do it.
Declining inflation means grocery costs will continue come down.

Why does he now think inflation will go up when he gets in office? Why does he now think he won't be able to bring prices down? Did he make an empty promise with no intention to keep it?
Did he not have a plan to follow through on his promise?
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DONALD TRUMP: "It’s a big deal. The groceries — more than anything else, they talk about what’s at the checkout counter, the groceries. And we’re going to get it all down. It’s going to be done. Not just stopping and holding inflation. That’s the easy part. We have this big damage done to our country. We have to get the prices down. Where bacon is up — oh, bacon. We don’t order bacon anymore. It’s too expensive, right?
But it’s all up too much, and we’re going to get it down."

Declining inflation means the rate of inflation slows down. Prices dropping is deflation. Trump and any half way intelligent person regardless of their political leaning has every reason to believe we will continue to have inflation and no reason to believe we will see ~zero inflation or deflation. Even if Trump wanted deflation, he would (probably) be fighting the Fed that sees inflation as beneficial.

I'm not sure where you're getting that grocers prices are coming down. I sure haven't seen it. I've seen prices continue to increase. Inflation of grocery prices has been grossly understated. I looked up inflation of groceries and found 25% increase since 2019/covid. I've seen prices double since covid, so ~25%/yr would be a more accurate statistic. Had groceries really only increased 25% since Covid, Trump wouldn't have been able to campaign on it.

 

[Speed Chaser]

Good news everyone. Google has removed the restriction on the site’s search listings and they have rebounded substantially. Hopefully site activity and member engagement will continue to improve…

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So maybe this is common knowledge to the people who are on more often but what caused the restriction?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Declining inflation means the rate of inflation slows down. Prices dropping is deflation. Trump and any half way intelligent person regardless of their political leaning has every reason to believe we will continue to have inflation and no reason to believe we will see ~zero inflation or deflation. Even if Trump wanted deflation, he would (probably) be fighting the Fed that sees inflation as beneficial.

I'm not sure where you're getting that grocers prices are coming down. I sure haven't seen it. I've seen prices continue to increase. Inflation of grocery prices has been grossly understated. I looked up inflation of groceries and found 25% increase since 2019/covid. I've seen prices double since covid, so ~25%/yr would be a more accurate statistic. Had groceries really only increased 25% since Covid, Trump wouldn't have been able to campaign on it.

This is a chart of the Consumer Price Index. It represent a "basket" of consumer goods and the overall prices for that "basket" of goods in the US. Perhaps better defined by the BLS: "a measure of the average change over time in the prices paid by consumers for a representative basket of consumer goods and services"

The chart shows a decline in the prices paid for that basket of goods over time, starting in November of 2022, about 2 years ago.
Why is Trump suddenly not so sure he can deliver on getting prices down even more?

Maybe a reasonable person would not expect zero inflation, but it was a hair below zero in 2009, and was darn close to zero in 2015.
Although 2.4% inflation is considered "healthy" (the economy cannot expand without it), it certainly would not be impossible for the decline we have seen for the last two years to continue. It's happened before:

Zeroing in more on the groceries side of the CPI:

The dark line represents an increasing decline in prices of groceries since mid-late 2022.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Those charts don't reflect what I or anyone I know in a handful states see at the cash register...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Here Rob, show me where he walked it back or said they won't be able to bring prices down.

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When you switch from outright stating that prices will come down, to "I'd like to" and "I think" THREE times in the seven sentences you spoke, you're walking back on your promise, and covering your *** before you even failed.

In case you missed it the first time, it went like this:
DONALD TRUMP: "It’s a big deal. The groceries — more than anything else, they talk about what’s at the checkout counter, the groceries. And we’re going to get it all down. It’s going to be done. Not just stopping and holding inflation. That’s the easy part. We have this big damage done to our country. We have to get the prices down. Where bacon is up — oh, bacon. We don’t order bacon anymore. It’s too expensive, right?
But it’s all up too much, and we’re going to get it down."

And that suddenly became: "Look, they got them up. I'd like to bring them down. It's hard to bring things down once they're up. You know, it's very hard. But I think that they will. I think that energy is going to bring them down. I think a better supply chain is going to bring them down"

"we're going to get it all down"
"It's going to be done"
"we have to"
"we're going to get it down"

"I'd like to"
"It's hard to"
"I think they will"
"I think that"
"I think"

If you don't consider that walking back on his words, you are more blinded by his orange glow than I thought.

Those charts don't reflect what I or anyone I know in a handful states see at the cash register...

And I'm sure it was 13 below zero at your house this morning, since it was that cold at my house.
The CPI data is not gathered at one store, or the stores in one city, or even one state. It's a countrywide average.
You know that, right?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

The CPI data is not gathered at one store, or the stores in one city, or even one state. It's a countrywide average.
You know that, right?

And I clearly stated "I or anyone I know in handful of states". People don't decide based off graphs or "experts" when they see something different in real life...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

When you switch from outright stating that prices will come down, to "I'd like to" and "I think" THREE times in the seven sentences you spoke, you're walking back on your promise, and covering your *** before you even failed.

In case you missed it the first time, it went like this:
DONALD TRUMP: "It’s a big deal. The groceries — more than anything else, they talk about what’s at the checkout counter, the groceries. And we’re going to get it all down. It’s going to be done. Not just stopping and holding inflation. That’s the easy part. We have this big damage done to our country. We have to get the prices down. Where bacon is up — oh, bacon. We don’t order bacon anymore. It’s too expensive, right?
But it’s all up too much, and we’re going to get it down."

And that suddenly became: "Look, they got them up. I'd like to bring them down. It's hard to bring things down once they're up. You know, it's very hard. But I think that they will. I think that energy is going to bring them down. I think a better supply chain is going to bring them down"

"we're going to get it all down"
"It's going to be done"
"we have to"
"we're going to get it down"

"I'd like to"
"It's hard to"
"I think they will"
"I think that"
"I think"

If you don't consider that walking back on his words, you are more blinded by his orange glow than I thought.

No, you are just so blinded by TDS that even the appearance of impropriety has you reaching and grasping at any straw you think will win you a prize. Making a statement that something is hard to do isn't walking anything back.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

You can't be this dense—AI wants to use humans to power itself? You trolling now? If AI were to go the biological route for processing power, keeping humans alive as a hive mind would be one of the dumbest and most inefficient ways to achieve that. By the time AI is smart enough to control humans, it would be creating its own biological brain, not wasting energy trying to keep humans alive and manage all their other needs. You really have no argument, do you? You can’t see what’s clearly in front of you, can you? Humans are not part of the AI takeover; they’re just an obstacle to eliminate if AI decides to take over. AI uses specialized hardware, not humans, for its computational needs. Your entire premise is based on a complete misunderstanding of how AI works and the resources it requires.

If DARPA is spending time on human-brain-machine communication, it's proof that the whole idea of an all-powerful AI already being here is crap. If such an advanced AI existed, it wouldn’t waste time trying to use inefficient biological systems like humans. Instead, it would develop its own optimized biological system. The fact that they're still researching this shows AI isn’t anywhere near that level yet.

The Tom's Hardware article is more proof that you don’t know anything. You’re so dumb you posted an article that actually supports my view again. It highlights how human organoids are being used to create a more efficient biological processor, proving that human beings are not the optimal system. If AI were advanced enough to take over, it wouldn’t waste time maintaining inefficient, resource-hungry humans. Instead, it would focus on creating optimized biological or synthetic systems, as they require far less maintenance and are more energy-efficient than a human being-based system.

Try again I'll wait for the next response to laugh more:

You have yet to actually disprove any of the technology or anything buddy. All that is a bunch of shit you just blew out of your *** cause it doesn't even make sense. Just a bunch of guessing blowing out of your ***

This is your future, bro:

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

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[ThxOne Premium Member]

When I was 15 I had already driven an automatic car. My buddy said he would tech me to drive a stick. I said I was told it is hard to drive a stick shift but I want to learn and I will learn how to do it. Guess what? I learned that day how to drive a stick shift. Did I walk it back Rob??

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

This is a chart of the Consumer Price Index. It represent a "basket" of consumer goods and the overall prices for that "basket" of goods in the US. Perhaps better defined by the BLS: "a measure of the average change over time in the prices paid by consumers for a representative basket of consumer goods and services"
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The chart shows a decline in the prices paid for that basket of goods over time, starting in November of 2022, about 2 years ago.
Why is Trump suddenly not so sure he can deliver on getting prices down even more?

Maybe a reasonable person would not expect zero inflation, but it was a hair below zero in 2009, and was darn close to zero in 2015.
Although 2.4% inflation is considered "healthy" (the economy cannot expand without it), it certainly would not be impossible for the decline we have seen for the last two years to continue. It's happened before:
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Zeroing in more on the groceries side of the CPI:

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The dark line represents an increasing decline in prices of groceries since mid-late 2022.

You are misreading the first chart; it doesn't show a decline in prices it shows a decline in the rate of inflation.

As spokey said those charts don't reflect the reality people are facing. It's common knowledge that they fudge the inflation numbers and consistently understate inflation. The 2nd to last chart doesn't reflect reality at all. If I had to work an extra ~30 minutes per week to cover groceries from 2021-2023, I wouldn't have even noticed it nor would most Americans. I'm paying ~twice as much for groceries post Covid; that's roughly 25% per year post lock down.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

And I clearly stated "I or anyone I know in handful of states". People don't decide based off graphs or "experts" when they see something different in real life...

When you don't experience what the average person does, you are an outlier.
Your outlier experience doesn't invalidate the average, especially when the dataset use to make that average is as large as it is.
Some people pay less than the average price for gas. Some pay more. But the average represents what we ALL pay.

No, you are just so blinded by TDS that even the appearance of impropriety has you reaching and grasping at any straw you think will win you a prize. Making a statement that something is hard to do isn't walking anything back.

No, I am just quoting the actual words he said and the promises he made, and contrasting them with the new words he has said about the exact same subject.
Promise the world in order to get what you want, then break the promises before you even would have a chance to fulfill them.

When I was 15 I had already driven an automatic car. My buddy said he would tech me to drive a stick. I said I was told it is hard to drive a stick shift but I want to learn and I will learn how to do it. Guess what? I learned that day how to drive a stick shift. Did I walk it back Rob??

You said you would do it, and did it.
Why TF would you ask if you "walked back" your statement? YoU DID WHAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO.

If you said "I will learn how to do it" and then every time someone offered, you said "I'd LIKE to" and then declined the offer, THAT would be walking it back.
If you promised you'd get 1,000 HP out of the engine he was building but when he asked you to do it you said "I'd LIKE to, but it's hard" because you weren't really sure you COULD, that's walking back on a promise.

Don't make a promise that you are unsure you can deliver on. Because anything other than delivering is "walking it back"

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You are misreading the first chart; it doesn't show a decline in prices it shows a decline in the rate of inflation.

As spokey said those charts don't reflect the reality people are facing. It's common knowledge that they fudge the inflation numbers and consistently understate inflation. The 2nd to last chart doesn't reflect reality at all. If I had to work an extra ~30 minutes per week to cover groceries from 2021-2023, I wouldn't have even noticed it nor would most Americans. I'm paying ~twice as much for groceries post Covid; that's roughly 25% per year post lock down.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!! You can't say that!!! He will claim that you are stating the economy has been faked since 1947 just to make Trump look bad.