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[ThxOne Premium Member]

So, are you able to answer the question of WHEN an abortion is "killing a baby", or do you not actually know what to answer?
If you are against abortion, you must have an opinion of WHEN it is wrong. One guy here is against abortion, but only within a certain timeline, possibly because he doesn't know what a zygote is.
What is YOUR answer?

What's your answer you ******* clown?

 

[Old_Slapper]

A ***** is human cells but it is not "a human". Chop off your leg. It's human cells. Would you call it "a human"?
A ***** is also not "a person". Legally AND in medical science.

So, are you able to answer the question of WHEN an abortion is "killing a baby", or do you not actually know what to answer?
If you are against abortion, you must have an opinion of WHEN it is wrong. One guy here is against abortion, but only within a certain timeline, possibly because he doesn't know what a zygote is.
What is YOUR answer?

If you're not going to be a part of the conversation, then you are simply trolling the thread.

Is that why you are here? To simply troll the thread and offer nothing of value to the conversation?
It's sure looking that way if you're going to just type random shit and then post a meme like you triumphed over the world.

So, you don't know what a ***** is? I guess you really did flunk biology.

It becomes a ***** when the embryo reaches a point where organs, the brain, and limbs start to form. It will continue to be called an embryo until it is born. Yes, all the way up to the point of exiting the vaginal canal. So, killing an embryo is more than just cutting off a leg. So, you believe it is perfectly fine killing an embryo that has been carried full-term?

 

[Old_Slapper]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Says the guy who claimed the world of medical science is wrong about bones having nerves IN them, because they use the word "in" wrong, but do so to make it easier for the layman to understand.
Says the guy who claims that nerves IN bones is only a "theory".
Says the guy who claims that a persons mental ****** identity is determined by their genitals, but can't account for people who are born with no genitalia or with both male and female genitalia, because that's a rare event.

So, are you able to answer the question of WHEN an abortion is "killing a baby", or do you not actually know what to answer?
If you are against abortion, you must have an opinion of WHEN it is wrong. One guy here is against abortion, but only within a certain timeline, possibly because he doesn't know what a zygote is.
What is YOUR answer?

If you're not going to be a part of the conversation, then you are simply trolling the thread.
If you're here simply to troll and not converse, at least say so and your posts can be regarded in that light.
Which is it? You a troll, or not?

Why are you laughing? YOU believe a human embryo is not really a human even though science has proven they are.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So, you don't know what a ***** is? I guess you really did flunk biology.

It becomes a ***** when the embryo reaches a point where organs, the brain, and limbs start to form. It will continue to be called an embryo until it is born. Yes, all the way up to the point of exiting the vaginal canal. So, killing an embryo is more than just cutting off a leg. So, you believe it is perfectly fine killing an embryo that has been carried full-term?

See, I told him this information. That timeline is typically between 8 and 9 weeks to become a *****. Rob needs new glasses and a new brain.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I wonder if Rob has ever seen a late term abortion and how brutal it is...there is video out there...

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I wonder if Rob has ever seen a late term abortion and how brutal it is...there is video out there...

Something tells me he's not gonna care

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Rob, are contracted to do the work you allegedly do or do you work directly for the State, County or City?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Something tells me he's not gonna care

Probably not since it would interfere with his nice and neat perception of the procedure...

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Probably not since it would interfere with his nice and neat perception of the procedure...

With the way he is with his dishonesty, I'm not sure if he would care, even if he saw it or has seen it. There's a lack of compassion, a lack of empathy for other people. He'll say something like trying to pretend who care for people, but that logic doesn't follow out from everything he posts. I obviously speak emotionally and get worked up naturally, so I can be intense and rude and whatever, but what he does is bleak, dark, sad.

 

[Old_Slapper]

With the way he is with his dishonesty, I'm not sure if he would care, even if he saw it or has seen it. There's a lack of compassion, a lack of empathy for other people. He'll say something like trying to pretend who care for people, but that logic doesn't follow out from everything he posts. I obviously speak emotionally and get worked up naturally, so I can be intense and rude and whatever, but what he does is bleak, dark, sad.

Nah...
He'll just say it was AI generated, just like the proof that I showed him that most pro-abortion biologists agree that an embryo is a human. He stated was AI and not a real study.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Not only Mexicans...

True. Over 170 countries issue SSNs, so the odds are decent that someone coming here illegally has one.

I forgot that you live under a rock...

Over 170 countries use SSNs of some type, so the odds are good an immigrant will have one.
But why did you think it would be legal to kill an illegal just because they have no B.C. or SSN?
Something you advocate or wish for? Remember: YOU brought it up.

Proof?
...

Very cool. Is she or was she an illegal immigrant here? Is she the reason you wondered if we should legally kill people without a B.C. or SSN?

Go back and review...

Incorrect. I said an embryo is not legally a PERSON and therefore cannot be issued a B.C. or SSN.
I also said a ***** is human but not "a human" until it is born.

Your challenge is ridiculous ...

Exactly. But you think a ***** is a baby. Babies can be issued a B.C and an SSN, right?
If a ***** is a baby, why can't we issue a B.C. and an SSN to a *****?

Please show me proof...

Abortion law. It's based on tenets of religion.
Blue laws. Based on tenets of religion.
You think both are appropriate. You told me directly that it is OK to base law on religion.
Did you misunderstand when I asked about it? Do you NOT believe tenets of religion should be used to create law?

I'm not like you. I don't demand that everyone has should live my beliefs.

But abortion should be illegal because you believe so. Right?

I do understand there are so many holes in the Bible as well as science...

Yes. I saw it all in seminary and had endless questions about the contradictory nature of so much of it.
And you simply support my statement that the Bible is not a history book, nor a science book.
And you only reinforce my statement that it should not be used as a basis for US law.

Whatever! ...

It's a human cell. A single cell that will go through cell division to become more.
YOU said aborting a zygote is OK because the cells have not "come together". We haven't cleared THAT one up yet, but If a zygote is a single cell that eventual subdivides a billion times to become what will eventual be the *****, do you think aborting a zygote is OK?
If so, WHEN does it become NOT OK?

So you needed me to spell it out for you? You actually want me to go through all the stages?

No. I want you to tell me when it is NOT OK to abort, if you think it IS OK to abort a zygote.
Specificity is important if we want to discuss reasons abortion should NOT be allowed.

You are asking me if I skipped anatomy...

Yes, I am. You expressed very clearly that you didn't know what a zygote is. You said it's OK to abort it because the cells haven't "come together" even though a zygote is what you get following conception (the UNION of sperm and egg).

Then you indicated a dog ***** should not be aborted because it is human and the cells have "come together", which is not how development occurs.

I can't believe you are so childish. What a typical liberal to pull words out of nothing.

Huh?

I just provided you proof that it is a felony to maliciously kill an embryo in the state of California. If it wasn't a person, then why would California care what happens to it?

It's also probably a felony to chop someone's finger off without their consent, yet you CAN do it WITH their consent.
It makes TOTAL sense that it would be illegal to kill the ***** without the consent of the woman carrying it.
Tell me: When the court case happens, who is named as the plaintiff?

BTW - Penal Code 187 exempt abortion and describes the fetal killing as having to be "unlawful" It is "unlawful" to do something to the body of a person who is unwilling and has not consented.
The law you describe makes TOTAL sense.

Technically, it's a baby once it's born. Before that, it's an embryo.

OK. We're making progress. So, at what stage in the process does abortion go from OK, to unacceptable?

This is the best way to explain it.

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/pro-life/when-does-a-*****-become-a-baby/

Afraid the link is bad, but it's from a Christian pro-life page so there might be some bias in there(?)

At what point would you say an abortion should not happen? Can you put a time frame on that?

It's not up to me, but I would say once the ***** is able to survive without life support system in place.
Kind of the obverse of being able to remove life support from someone who will forever be tied to it..
Yes there are variables, but find an average and set it as a hard line.

The bible is full of parables...

Yes. And thus it's really hard to use it as a reference for how our laws should be set or how people should live their lives.
Pork was forbidden by some religions. Reasons vary from the difficulty to raise them, to them being "unhealthy" becasue they do not chew their cud.
What better way to keep your uneducated people strong than to tell them "god" doesn't want them to eat it. No different than telling a child to stay away form the pond or the "monster" will get them. Kids simply don't understand "danger" or "you will drown and die".
Religion was created to effectively control huge populations of "children" by giving them rules and a reason to follow them:
Scare the shit out of them with the punishment of eternal damnation rom an angry god.

So we want to use a book of fairy tales to create law?

So you're saying that article was AI generated? If that is your defense, then all of your articles for proof are AI generated.

No, I'm saying that you are posting things that are pretty much a word-for-word copy of the AI-generated result Google gives when you search for certain phrases. AI-generated result: "most biologists, including many who identify as pro-choice, agree that a human life begins at fertilization, meaning they would consider an embryo to be a human being"
They are already seeing many instances where the AI-generated results are wrong, but are simply grabbed from the info the system gathers.

For example: If a million people posted that grass is pink, and a hundred posted it is green, the AI crawling bots would probably tell you grass is pink. "Survey says"...

Why can't you just believe that most pro-abortion biologist believe that a ***** is a human?

For the same reason you wouldn't just believe me if I said the opposite.
And I wouldn't expect you to.
We are all anonymous here. Our "word" doesn't mean ANYTHING.

Sure, right after you show me that I stated a ***** gets a birth certificate and SSN.

You never did. Because only a legal person can get one.
If only a legal person can get one, a ***** must not be a legal person. Get it?

What is your cut-off time for an abortion?

Answered above. But "viability" makes the most sense to me.


ALL of that said, this is the type of back-and-forth I am trying to have here, but get stymied by the likes of Thx, Spoke, etc, who simply want to make a claim, demand it be accepted wihtout question, and then get pissed off if it IS questioned.

You have trended there too, but I'm TRYING to keep it a true back-and-forth. See above.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

We're so fucked:

"Israeli Air Force concludes operations on northern border, readies mission against Iran's nuclear program"

Israeli Air Force concludes operations on northern border, readies mission against Iran's nuclear program

Officials present impressive military data on fighting against Hezbollah and make preparations for a possible strike on Iranian soil following Assad's fall and Trump's return to Washington

www.ynetnews.com

All this war is going to start hitting home. People better start paying attention:

Plans For New Hardened Aircraft Shelters Notably Absent From New USAF Base Modernization Strategy

The USAF also says that its bases can no longer be treated as sanctuaries and need to be better prepared to operate while under attack.

www.twz.com

"FLASHBACK: Tucker Carlson Warns of Hostile Interdimensional/Spiritual Forces Influencing the Human “Ant Farm”"

https://www.infowars.com/posts/breaking-video-tucker-carlson-warns-of-hostile-interdimensional-spiritual-forces-influencing-the-human-ant-farm

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Are you on yet another break Rob? How are you saving the taxpayers money trolling a car audio web site?

No, I'm off today for medical reasons. It's ten below out and I'm listening to music in front of a fire.
How are you posting so much while driving a big truck for your job?

I am under contract for work.
You're obviously getting at something; just ask it instead of dancing around it.

See, I told him this information. That timeline is typically between 8 and 9 weeks to become a *****. Rob needs new glasses and a new brain.

"Typically between 8 and 9 weeks""
Well, that's very precise. So do we deny the abortion at 8 weeks and 6 days, but allow it at 7 weeks and 6 days?
Or do we do it based on the ruling authority's "feelings" on a given day for what the decide should be "typical"?

"We'll know it when we see it" cannot be a basis for law.
Imagine a speed limit sign that says "Typically 65-75MPH". Or "People typically die after being shot 5 times, so if you only shoot 3 times, it's not attempted murder".

The anti-abortionists HERE can't even agree what the law should be.
But it should be the law for ALL women?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

We're so fucked:

"Israeli Air Force concludes operations on northern border, readies mission against Iran's nuclear program"

Israeli Air Force concludes operations on northern border, readies mission against Iran's nuclear program

Officials present impressive military data on fighting against Hezbollah and make preparations for a possible strike on Iranian soil following Assad's fall and Trump's return to Washington

www.ynetnews.com

All this war is going to start hitting home. People better start paying attention:

Plans For New Hardened Aircraft Shelters Notably Absent From New USAF Base Modernization Strategy

The USAF also says that its bases can no longer be treated as sanctuaries and need to be better prepared to operate while under attack.

www.twz.com

"FLASHBACK: Tucker Carlson Warns of Hostile Interdimensional/Spiritual Forces Influencing the Human “Ant Farm”"

https://www.infowars.com/posts/breaking-video-tucker-carlson-warns-of-hostile-interdimensional-spiritual-forces-influencing-the-human-ant-farm

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What about the BIG drones flying over New Jersey that no one can identify, but no one has taken action against?
By all reports, they are the size of a small car.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

What about the BIG drones flying over New Jersey that no one can identify, but no one has taken action against?
By all reports, they are the size of a small car.

They are our military, flexing against our enemies, and also running psychological warfare against the people of the United States to control people's perception of reality.