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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Tariffs get paid by US importers. Consumers aren't importers. Go back to school.

Hmmm, consumers sure ARE importers. If I buy a $1,000 stereo from China and have it shipped here for personal use, I'm paying a tariff on that stereo.
If I'm buying it to resell, I'm making the tariff plus the shipping costs part of my COGS and passing it to the buyer. I don't import and sell out of the goodness of my heart.

**** man, you are the one who keeps trying to bring it up in conversation trying to bait me.

"Bait" you? No, simply pointing out your hypocrisy.

I made a true statement about what you have indeed done. I have given no other information so go cry in the corner.

You're violating site rules. Pretty hypocritical for someone who accused me of violating site rules, when I didn't do so.

Have at it.

Nah; I'm not a special snowflake, like some people here.

Yes, you are a liar. I said the numbers could be manipulated. Do you not distinguish between the words could and are?

Ahhhh, so you are saying they COULD be, but actually were NOT.
Which means the numbers are accurate, and the Democrats have done it better since 1947.
I'm glad we agree.

Oh look... here you go again with your nerves baiting again. You do this lashing out thing every time I trigger you. Have you no control over your emotions?

I have full control. Read your posts since I have returned, and take a count of how many times you have lashed out with ad hominem, while I simply use facts and evidence to argue.
Control your emotions, and argue with facts and evidence, instead of beliefs/opinions/"feelings".

You used the Sucrets amp already like a few days back kid.

And? Does it change the analogy in any way?
You used the phraseology of "go suuck diicks" DOZENS of times, maybe MULTIPLE dozens of times.
Why didn't you create something new every time?
Oh yeah, your rules for others do not apply to your own behavior.

Incorrect. As I stated above, go back to school. Tariffs are paid by the importers. They can eat some of the cost, add some of the cost to the product being sold or they can demand the supplier lower the price of the product. The only thing the consumer is doing is possibly paying a higher price. Prices go up and down all the time and this would be no different.

I import an $888 carbon fiber bike for personal use. Who pays the tariff on the goods for me?

WalMart keystones their costs on a bike. They pay $100 for a Mongoose and sell it for $200. $100 profit.
Another $25 gets added in tariff fees, so it's now $125.
You think they are keeping the retail price at $200? Keep dreaming.
They're either passing on the costs to keep their GPM at 50%, or sourcing a lower-quality and lower priced bike to keep the price point and GPM.
Kind of like how Oreos get smaller and have 20% less filling, in order to keep the same price and the same profit margin.
No business is giving away profit out of the goodness of their heart. That's how they go out of business.

Prices of GOODS go up and down all the time. A tax or tariff is not the price of a good. It's an add-on to get money from us that goes directly to our government.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Hmmm, consumers sure ARE importers. If I buy a $1,000 stereo from China and have it shipped here for personal use, I'm paying a tariff on that stereo.
If I'm buying it to resell, I'm making the tariff plus the shipping costs part of my COGS and passing it to the buyer. I don't import and sell out of the goodness of my heart.

Yup because that is how all Americans shop. We only buy from China off the internet so your argument can be valid.

"Bait" you? No, simply pointing out your hypocrisy.

Sure.

You're violating site rules. Pretty hypocritical for someone who accused me of violating site rules, when I didn't do so.

Doxing is the act of revealing personal information about someone online without their consent. It can include information such as the victim's real name, home address, workplace, phone number, financial information, and other personal details. STFU.

Nah; I'm not a special snowflake, like some people here.

Don't lie. You are Captain Snowflake.

Ahhhh, so you are saying they COULD be, but actually were NOT.
Which means the numbers are accurate, and the Democrats have done it better since 1947.
I'm glad we agree.

They could be. I never said they were manipulated. If you weren't so hell bent on arguing you could have understood my point that people are unethical and could manipulate numbers.

I have full control. Read your posts since I have returned, and take a count of how many times you have lashed out with ad hominem, while I simply use facts and evidence to argue.
Control your emotions, and argue with facts and evidence, instead of beliefs/opinions/"feelings".

We have moved past all of that... have been dealt with by the admins yet you want to keep going back and reliving the past. Why Rob?

And? Does it change the analogy in any way?
You used the phraseology of "go suuck diicks" DOZENS of times, maybe MULTIPLE dozens of times.
Why didn't you create something new every time?
Oh yeah, your rules for others do not apply to your own behavior.

Seriously... you are acting like a jaded woman. Move on already.

I import an $888 carbon fiber bike for personal use. Who pays the tariff on the goods for me?
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The actual importer... you just ordered it to be imported. Sorry Rob, try again.

WalMart keystones their costs on a bike. They pay $100 for a Mongoose and sell it for $200. $100 profit.
Another $25 gets added in tariff fees, so it's now $125.
You think they are keeping the retail price at $200? Keep dreaming.
They're either passing on the costs to keep their GPM at 50%, or sourcing a lower-quality and lower priced bike to keep the price point and GPM.
Kind of like how Oreos get smaller and have 20% less filling, in order to keep the same price and the same profit margin.
No business is giving away profit out of the goodness of their heart. That's how they go out of business.

I am not wrong, I would just be paying a higher price.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You are SO convinced that Trump would NEVER tell a lie, that you'll completely disregard the law, the Constitution, standard business practices, and real-world examples and proofs, just to say that he's telling the truth when he says foreign countries will pay his tariffs.

And you call ME biased.
Amazing.

Why would you pay a higher price if CHINA pays the tariff?
So now the retailer is ripping you off by charging you more for a fee they never incurred, but claim is part of their cost?

And WHO is paying the tariff on that bike I ordered? Does a manufacturer's rep fly here and cut the check for me when I get the bike at customs?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You are SO convinced that Trump would NEVER tell a lie, that you'll completely disregard the law, the Constitution, standard business practices, and real-world examples and proofs, just to say that he's telling the truth when he says foreign countries will pay his tariffs.

And you call ME biased.
Amazing.

Everyone lies. That has nothing to do with bias. It's reality.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Tariffs that get paid by the US consumer, meaning their hourly wage is effectively reduced.
THAT will teach China a lesson!

I forgot you don't believe tariffs work even though there's hundreds of them working right this minute

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I forgot you don't believe tariffs work even though there's hundreds of them working right this minute

Tariffs that Trump attempted to use to control foreign countries did not work.
Trump is attempting to do the same thing again.

Tell me why you think it will work THIS time around, when the foreign countries have preemptively responded with the same threats he backed down from LAST time.

WHAT is different that gives him special powers THIS time?

Everyone lies. That has nothing to do with bias. It's reality.

You won't even admit he's lying when he says China will pay the tariffs HE imposes.
You're biased.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You won't even admit he's lying when he says China will pay the tariffs HE imposes.
You're biased.

Why would I admit he is lying??? It's not a lying statement, it is a right or wrong statement. A lie is intent to deceive.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Why would I admit he is lying??? It's not a lying statement, it is a right or wrong statement. A lie is intent to deceive.

Convenient that you leave off the rest of the definition: a. : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker or writer to be untrue with intent to deceive. He told a lie to avoid punishment. b. : an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer.

When you make a "wrong statement" it is a lie, by definition.

And if you want to say that Trump simply doesn't realize who pays an import tariff, then he certainly shouldn't have the power to impose them.

So when I import my own eBike from China, who is paying the import tariff?

 

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[ThxOne Premium Member]

Convenient that you leave off the rest of the definition: a. : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker or writer to be untrue with intent to deceive. He told a lie to avoid punishment. b. : an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer.

When you make a "wrong statement" it is a lie, by definition.

And if you want to say that Trump simply doesn't realize who pays an import tariff, then he certainly shouldn't have the power to impose them.

So when I import my own eBike from China, who is paying the import tariff?

Wow you are really reaching. You have TDS so bad it's pathetic.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

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Flash forward: After Trump pardons his son-in-law's father Charles Kushner for being convicted of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering, he appoints him as US Ambassador to France.

What office did Hunter Biden hold?
What office was he appointed to as payback for donating to his father's campaign?
What office is he running for?


You right-wingers sure have short memories, and love double-standards.

Wow you are really reaching. You have TDS so bad it's pathetic.

Says the guy who still can't admit Trump lied, even after you look up the definition and then try to use it to spin away from the facts.
Trump Derangement Syndrome is exactly what you have. You have your head so far up his ***, your brain is touching his cerebral cortex, and you think like him.

So, WHO is paying the tariff on that bike I imported?

And tell me more about how Trump knew nothing of Project 2025, would have nothing to do with, and "banned" the people involved from being a part of his administration, then started appointing them immediately after the election.

“They've been told officially, legally, in every way, that we have nothing to do with Project 25. They know it, but they bring it up anyway. They bring up every single thing that you can bring up. Every one of them was false.”
A Truth Social post said he has “no idea who is behind” Project 2025

So far, he has appointed: Russ Vought, Stephen Miller, Karoline Leavitt, Brendan Carr, Tom Homan.