How can CarAudio.com be better? Please vote!

How can CarAudio.com be better?

  • It’s fine the way it is!

  • Site design is terrible. Change it.

  • Site is hard to use.

  • Site loads too slow.

  • Other. I’ll tell you below in the comments.


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Yep, the issue is the actual threads themselves not being indexed well by Google. They rank them so far back that no one sees them and prioritizes Reddit and diyma to no end. This all goes back to the useful content update I spoke of that occurred last September. Nothing has gotten any better and Google still hates the site. They have given no definite reasons why the site is classified this way and no one there to speak with, of course… The site is ranked just fine on all other search sites.

I’ve tried everything I know and had professionals check into it, no luck. Nothing will change until Google changes their ways.
Is this an issue of the site software itself? I am on another forum which is VERY big, but their threads are not indexed by Google at their choice. They are happy with the site URL itself being indexed, but would rather people join and view posts/threads from within.
Makes me think of how you can find images in Google search, but can't view them unless you "visit" the site where the image resides, thanks to some powerful players in the stock-image industry demanding site traffic and credit for the images.
 
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Another thing is the trolls. Newbies are hit with these trolls or BOT almost right away. @

Kybassbwoy case in point. First reaction to a legit question is met by a total troll/bot giving him a thumbs down. I know it's difficult to pin those things down, benn moderating for 20 years, Not the way to start a loving relationship. ;)


TBH, don'ts see this on DIY.
 
Another thing is the trolls. Newbies are hit with these trolls or BOT almost right away. @

Kybassbwoy case in point. First reaction to a legit question is met by a total troll/bot giving him a thumbs down. I know it's difficult to pin those things down, benn moderating for 20 years, Not the way to start a loving relationship. ;)


TBH, don'ts see this on DIY.
How is the off-topic section at the beloved diyma? It seems to garner all the search traffic these days.
 
Traffic. If Google is using site traffic as a reference point, the traffic shows whether I'm reading posts, posting posts, or private messaging.
I never navigate direct to the site because my cache is cleared regularly, and I don't have it in "favorites". CAF is always the 3rd item in the search results, and I link to it from the Google search. That helps the site.

As for the "numerous chances", I am not sure if you are the one mod or if there are several, but I was never afforded any warning or explanation as to why it was unacceptable for me to regularly call other members out for posting flat-out lies, but it is OK for them to make threats of violence, post potentially slanderous falsehoods and dangerous misinfomation, and when their BS gets challenged to always respond with some variant of "go **** d***s" or some other homophobia. Literally HUNDREDS of times. Seems rather lopsided.

And to be honest, I asked the question MANY times, and was simply ignored. This is why I'm responding here.
Yes, we are talking about an off-topic thread. But if the off-topic thread should not be off-topic, must be policed to control the members from speaking freely, is not wanted, and provides no value in Google's eyes, then maybe the site should not have it?

I am members of other forums that have a different primary focus, and they have similar off-topic "rooms" where the discussions are all over the map. Some of them go leaps and bounds beyond what I've ever seen here. Yet, those sites have great traffic and rank very high on the Google search results.
Food for thought.
Not getting into this crap again.

I do know that the useful/helpful content update happened in september around the same time I got more strict on the off-topic section here. I have wondered if at that time, when around 70% of the forum posts were off-topic one line insults, if google decided this site wasn't useful to car audio...

Will removing unhelpful content help my other content rank better?​

Our systems work primarily at the page level to show the most helpful content we can, even if that content is on sites also hosting unhelpful content. This said, having relatively high amounts of unhelpful content might cause other content on the site to perform less well in Search, to a varying degree. Removing unhelpful content might contribute to your other pages performing better.
 
How is the off-topic section at the beloved diyma? It seems to garner all the search traffic these days.
I would not know. I stay clear of that given today's toxic online environment, it's everywhere so I make a point to avoid it altogether. I come her to help and be helped and feel like that stuff has enough of it's own life/ making on social media and sights dedicated to off-topic convo. It's certainly never driven me to an audio forum, ever. ;)
 
Is this an issue of the site software itself? I am on another forum which is VERY big, but their threads are not indexed by Google at their choice. They are happy with the site URL itself being indexed, but would rather people join and view posts/threads from within.
Makes me think of how you can find images in Google search, but can't view them unless you "visit" the site where the image resides, thanks to some powerful players in the stock-image industry demanding site traffic and credit for the images.
It would seem to me that if you instruct robots not to index the thread page itself, only the URL, google wouldnt know what the page contains and wouldn't index it as highly. Here, I can choose to index on a per forum basis. The off-topic forums aren't indexed, thread, or URL. Only the car audio related forums are. But that hasn't helped anything so far, obviously.
 
If the goal is more traffic, then you're in a tight spot. DIYMA just has a bigger "fanbase" that keeps posting. How many newbies are out there that have any interest in joining a dying forum about a dying hobby?
Diyma isn't dying though. The issue is, Google is the cause of this. They deliberately tanked the site search listings, resulting in lower traffic. I suppose it is time to approach the owners of diyma who own around 1000 forums to see about purchasing the site. They tried in the recent past but I declined. I know a few other possible buyers also.

Hopefully the new owners will keep this site the same. It was a good run, but time to move on.
 
It would seem to me that if you instruct robots not to index the thread page itself, only the URL, google wouldnt know what the page contains and wouldn't index it as highly. Here, I can choose to index on a per forum basis. The off-topic forums aren't indexed, thread, or URL. Only the car audio related forums are. But that hasn't helped anything so far, obviously.
Been a long time since I played in the area of site design and traffic, but you used to be able to see who/what/where your pages were being accessed from.
Heck, I used to be able to grab the IP of anyone who simply viewed a post I made, on a forum that I was a member of. I had a little script that could show them their IP and put a pin on a locator map if I wanted, or keep the data hidden. Some people got shook when I asked them how the weather was in their town (by name) after they read my post.
All in fun back when the internet was "new".

Can you see if the Google bots are even attempting to datamine and index the site, or are you relying on the info provided on their console to tell you what they are doing (or not doing)?

I dunno. Your website, but those are just some things that come to mind.
 
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Diyma isn't dying though. The issue is, Google is the cause of this. They deliberately tanked the site search listings, resulting in lower traffic. I suppose it is time to approach the owners of diyma who own around 1000 forums to see about purchasing the site. They tried in the recent past but I declined. I know a few other possible buyers also.

Hopefully the new owners will keep this site the same. It was a good run, but time to move on.
Interesting. But the traffic is so low, does it have any value?
 
Been a long time since I played in the area of site design and traffic, but you used to be able to see who/what/where your pages were being accessed from.
Heck, I used to be able to grab the IP of anyone who simply viewed a post I made, on a forum that I was a member of. I had a little script that could show them their IP and put a pin on a locator map if I wanted, or keep the data hidden. Some people got shook when I asked them how the weather was in their town (by name) after they read my post.
All in fun back when the internet was "new".

Can you see if the Google bots are even attempting to datamine and index the site, or are you relying on the info provided on their console to tell you what they are doing (or not doing)?

I dunno. Your website, but those are just some things that come to mind.
They definitely do read/index it, more bots than humans on here. It’s just the listings are now so bar back on page 50, etc. In other searches the site ranks fine, so this goes to show in my opinion, this isn’t a site robot/indexing issue. I’m also sure Google is scrapping the site content for use in their AI. They have to pay Reddit to scrape that site btw. It’s the useful/helpful content update that Google performed last September that turned things around. A lot of sites got hit hard.
 
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