What the government did was to go to companies and outright tell them there would be consequences FOR THAT COMPANY if their employees weren't vaccinated. The employers at that point had to become "the bad guys" giving employees ultimatums. Get the vaxx or find a new job.
I think facts today are used as a weapon, by all sides. Everyones body autonomy supersedes facts in my opinion. It has to be that way for us to be a free people, and that does come with consequences. I, as an individual, do not need to be honest about why I don’t want to put things, or take things out of my own individual body. Big pharma should be held accountable to be honest because they want to put something into millions of individual bodies. Do you see the difference? Yes, I have seen some outright lies from antivaxers, but the antivaxxers have not made trillions of dollars trying to mandate that no one gets vaccinated. The irony of this whole argument kinda makes me chuckle. As a liberal activist we used that exact same body autonomy argument in defense of making drugs legal and abortion, and now I’m using it in defense of the same conservative people I marched and protested against. It’s just too funny that not a single one of my liberal friends and acquaintances realized how the world has flipped upside down and the people who trust the most in government in 2024 are the same people who wanted to tear down the whole corrupted system in 2007.
Lol, no, that's not how a lot of it went.
That's because most people don't actually have principles, they just want to be on a side to be part of something. Their leadership of self comes from outside of self.
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It's fine that you think autonomy is a greater standard than the truth, facts, data, etc. OTOH, I hood truth in higher regard. Nevertheless, I do find it interesting that you (and I assume lots of other people) feel that facts have been weaponized. I guess that explains the "conspiracy theory" movement from the right and the woke crowd's ability to ignore the reality of biological gender and their desire to supress opposition speech.
If that's not how it went, then where are the plethora of class action lawsuits? I have little doubt that anybody whose religious freedoms were violated would win their case. Do you have something beyond anecdotal evidence to back this claim?
It's not a lack of principles, it's that the other side is operating on a different set of principles. Ie, those that felt the vax should be mandated felt the principle of "the greater good" outweighed your right to autonomy.
No, that's now how it usually goes. It's how it occasionally goes. Yes, we do need to strike a balance between the group and the individual, which is why facts are important. However, when both sides are willing to sacrifice facts at the alter of their beliefs, we're left with a giant ball of $hit. I'd suggest that if one has to resort to lies to support their principles, the group, etc, then they would benefit more from introspection and reviewing the facts than gaslighting themselves.
You act as if everything I just said was in support of lying. You’re missing my point. This is why I don’t have deep conversation on the internet. When you back people into a corner and they feel threatened, they will say untrue things in an attempt to back people off. Their motivation is self preservation, while on the other hand, when the other side is lying, it’s to make billions of dollars or cover something up. These 2 lies just don’t quite seem the same to me, but whatever.
