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Hey RobGMN, go blow yourself. I like how you tired to get the last word about verbatim several pages back in a response to someone else.

You are a clueless idiot.

On to the topic of Trump......... The fact that the left is focusing so damn hard on smashing Trump for any and every little thing, things they have done themselves, solidifies my decision to not vote for any democrat in any up coming election including the presidential election. It may not be Trump but it will not be a democrat.
 
I can agree mostly. The problem is that all identity groups are trying to control others, not just religion, either through economic coercion or direct laws restricting behavior. Either method gets the job done the same way. I’ve always been a believer in body autonomy. The exact second you enter into this world, your body and what you choose to put in or take out of it is your business. Neither side actually believes that. After discussing vaccines with you, your “I care about body autonomy” arguments kind of falls on deaf ears.
There’s autonomy when your actions only affect your body, and autonomy when your actions could affect others.

I’ve never heard of an abortion having deleterious health effects on anyone but the woman getting it, but I have heard of unvaxxed people making others sick by transmitting disease.
I’ve never heard of someone hurting others by smoking alone in their home where they live alone, but hurting non-smokers by smoking in close proximity to them.

It’s kind of that deal that you shouldn’t be stepping on others’ toes when exercising your own right to walk.
 
There’s autonomy when your actions only affect your body, and autonomy when your actions could affect others.

I’ve never heard of an abortion having deleterious health effects on anyone but the woman getting it, but I have heard of unvaxxed people making others sick by transmitting disease.
I’ve never heard of someone hurting others by smoking alone in their home where they live alone, but hurting non-smokers by smoking in close proximity to them.

It’s kind of that deal that you shouldn’t be stepping on others’ toes when exercising your own right to walk.
You’re making up things that have no basis in fact. You still believe that unvaccinated people are a threat to your vaccine riddled body? The Covid vaccine doesn’t prevent spread according to the CDC. Maybe stop getting your facts on social media.
 
You’re making up things that have no basis in fact. You still believe that unvaccinated people are a threat to your vaccine riddled body? The Covid vaccine doesn’t prevent spread according to the CDC. Maybe stop getting your facts on social media.
It has been proved that:
1. COVID could be transmitted person to person
2. The vaccine reduced the likelihood of catching COVID
3 The vaccine reduced the severity of the illness if you did get sick.

So:
A. If you don’t get sick, you are not going to get others sick.
B. If you do get sick, but the severity is not as high, you are less likely to transmit the virus.

So yes, whether you got the vax or not COULD HAVE affected other people.
Are there really still people who question this?

Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised. There are still believers in a flat Earth and that the moon landing was faked.
 
It has been proved that:
1. COVID could be transmitted person to person
2. The vaccine reduced the likelihood of catching COVID
3 The vaccine reduced the severity of the illness if you did get sick.

So:
A. If you don’t get sick, you are not going to get others sick.
B. If you do get sick, but the severity is not as high, you are less likely to transmit the virus.

So yes, whether you got the vax or not COULD HAVE affected other people.
Are there really still people who question this?

Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised. There are still believers in a flat Earth and that the moon landing was faked.
Really, so you think the vaxx saves you? Why? Because you took it?

Tell us again how seatbelts save lives just be cause a person wears it.

You know genius, just because you crash your car and you live doesn't mean your seatbelt saved your life. The crash may not have been severe enough to have injured you if you weren't wearing the seatbelt. Just because you have something doesn't mean it's going to save your life.

The problem is people like you. Easily led, timid people who exaggerate everything. "Get the shot or you will die!!!" Vaccinated people have affected non vaccinated people, have given them COVID and probably even killed a few people along the way.
 
Really, so you think the vaxx saves you? Why? Because you took it?
I don’t “think it”. Medical science has proved it, just like they have proved so many other things.
It is not even a question at this point.
If you don’t believe in science, there is no point in discussing pretty much anything other than personal likes/dislikes.
Tell us again how seatbelts save lives just be cause a person wears it.
Also already been proved handily.
It is not even a question at this point.
If you don’t believe in science, there is no point in discussing pretty much anything other than personal likes/dislikes.
You know genius, just because you crash your car and you live doesn't mean your seatbelt saved your life. The crash may not have been severe enough to have injured you if you weren't wearing the seatbelt. Just because you have something doesn't mean it's going to save your life.
Causality and correlation has already been covered on this ad infinitum.
It is no longer in question.
If you don’t believe in science, there is no point in discussing pretty much anything other than personal likes/dislikes.
The problem is people like you. Easily led, timid people who exaggerate everything. "Get the shot or you will die!!!" Vaccinated people have affected non vaccinated people, have given them COVID and probably even killed a few people along the way.
The real problem is people who somehow think their personal opinions shape reality, when that’s not the case.
Personal opinions change how you perceive facts (either accept or deny them), but they will never change established fact unless you can change that fact through the scientific method.

Shake your fist at the sky all you want. It won’t stop the sun from shining, the moon from reflecting, the stars from twinkling, the rain from falling.
Try it and see.
 
Seems like NATO thinks this war is going to last longer. Russia sees f-16’s as a nuclear threat:

“A coalition of 11 countries was due to start training Ukrainian pilots to fly the F-16 fighter jets this month in Denmark. Denmark's acting Defense Minister Troels Poulsen said in July that the country hoped to see "results" from the training in early 2024.”

“U.S. President Joe Biden endorsed training programs for Ukrainian pilots on F-16s in May. In addition to training in Denmark, a training center was to be set up in Romania.

Kyiv will not be able to operate U.S.-built F-16 fighter jets this coming autumn and winter, Ukrainian Air Force spokesperson Yuriy Ihnat told Ukrainian television late on Wednesday.”

 
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