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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Obviously you have never been brain dead and visited the edges of the universe as pure energy.
Noob.

There's a few people that would argue the brain dead part, but definitely haven't been traveling the universe as pure energy.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Who do you think is trying to help you to ascend to a higher dimension?

All the different religions with all their different "guidebooks." The problem is they're all "evil" so they make for bad guides on to ascend to a higher plane. Almost every religion "dreams" of transcending our physical existence.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You insist we are pure energy, when not even LIGHT is pure energy.

How can you expect to be taken seriously when even the basics escape you?

I've never visited the quantum realm or any other dimensions, so anybody's guess is as good as mine. In our physical (Newtonian) reality light exists without mass and therefore would/could be considered "pure" energy. However, in the quantum realm, light consists of quantum particles and therefore isn't pure energy. However, what if quantum particles are purely a human construct (like time) - then light might be pure energy that we've polluted with our thoughts and ideas. Perhaps humanity thought the quantum realm into existence, but then we may have thought time into existence too, so maybe time does exist as more than just a human construct.

If we're really just beings of pure energy "hijacking" these physical bodies temporarily, but there is no pure form of energy on the quantum level. Therefore I cannot exist as a being of pure energy; did I just think my "pure energy self" out of existence and now only exist as a (quasi) empty corporeal physical being?

Additionally, if our corporeal bodies are just vessels for these beings of pure light, then what are the Christians/Catholics up to? Why do they want to maximize the number of corporeal bodies that come into existence? A lot of corporate industrialist (Musk) also believe in population expansion. Why? What is their end game? Do "they" (the interdimensional beings of pure energy that occupy our bodies), need an abundance of bodies in case I think one of them out of existence; rather than disappearing from existence, they just jump into another "open" body with a more cooperative attitude. Or perhaps they are prepping for a massive depopulation event and "energy beings" will just jump to an open body when we start dropping dead. Totally plausible.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Who do you think is trying to help you to ascend to a higher dimension?

Lots of people. But as you said organized religion is the bad guys, so I better not follow their advice.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

That proves reality isn't reality???

What I mean is the reality we perceive is just a very, very small part of what’s actually there.

All the different religions with all their different "guidebooks." The problem is they're all "evil" so they make for bad guides on to ascend to a higher plane. Almost every religion "dreams" of transcending our physical existence.

You’re the only one talking about religion, at least between the two of us, as far as defining oneself or who’s trying to help us.

There’s been many species throughout the universe that have transcended physical existence.

However, what if quantum particles are purely a human construct (like time) - then light might be pure energy that we've polluted with our thoughts and ideas.

I’d say you’re getting somewhere with that thought.

Lots of people. But as you said organized religion is the bad guys, so I better not follow their advice.

Just because organized religion winds up doing so much evil, that doesn’t mean spirituality is a farce. Organized religion is about manipulating and controlling the energy of people, instead of letting it free-flow.

People who discard every concept of spirituality because of religions are still being ruled by religions, because those people are forming their views from an anti-religious standpoint, instead of figuring out their own individual spirituality. If you see yourself as the opposite of religious, then religion still defines you.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

You insist we are pure energy, when not even LIGHT is pure energy.

How can you expect to be taken seriously when even the basics escape you?

What is a sub atomic particle made of, Rob? All particles are just different states of energy. Just because something is in a ball shape and has mass doesn’t mean it’s not fundamentally made of energy. Energy forms matter, not the other way around. Matter is simply standing waves of energy.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I've never visited the quantum realm or any other dimensions, so anybody's guess is as good as mine. In our physical (Newtonian) reality light exists without mass and therefore would/could be considered "pure" energy. However, in the quantum realm, light consists of quantum particles and therefore isn't pure energy. However, what if quantum particles are purely a human construct (like time) - then light might be pure energy that we've polluted with our thoughts and ideas. Perhaps humanity thought the quantum realm into existence, but then we may have thought time into existence too, so maybe time does exist as more than just a human construct.

If we're really just beings of pure energy "hijacking" these physical bodies temporarily, but there is no pure form of energy on the quantum level. Therefore I cannot exist as a being of pure energy; did I just think my "pure energy self" out of existence and now only exist as a (quasi) empty corporeal physical being?

Additionally, if our corporeal bodies are just vessels for these beings of pure light, then what are the Christians/Catholics up to? Why do they want to maximize the number of corporeal bodies that come into existence? A lot of corporate industrialist (Musk) also believe in population expansion. Why? What is their end game? Do "they" (the interdimensional beings of pure energy that occupy our bodies), need an abundance of bodies in case I think one of them out of existence; rather than disappearing from existence, they just jump into another "open" body with a more cooperative attitude. Or perhaps they are prepping for a massive depopulation event and "energy beings" will just jump to an open body when we start dropping dead. Totally plausible.

By thinking outside of the box, you put yourself in Schrödinger’s box.
Nice play.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

What is a sub atomic particle made of, Rob? All particles are just different states of energy. Just because something is in a ball shape and has mass doesn’t mean it’s not fundamentally made of energy. Energy forms matter, not the other way around. Matter is simply standing waves of energy.

There’s no such thing as pure energy. It is always carried by or associated with something. Usually the movement of something.
A particle is a particle, not “pure energy”. If it were “pure energy” it would not have mass like a particle does.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

There’s no such thing as pure energy. It is always carried by or associated with something. Usually the movement of something.
A particle is a particle, not “pure energy”. If it were “pure energy” it would not have mass like a particle does.

Mass is energy in a standing wave condition, aka a particle.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

There’s no such thing as pure energy. It is always carried by or associated with something. Usually the movement of something.
A particle is a particle, not “pure energy”. If it were “pure energy” it would not have mass like a particle does.

Mass is defined as:

“The unit of mass in the International System of Units (SI) is the kilogram, which is defined in terms of Planck’s constant, which is defined as equal to 6.62607015 × 10−34 joulesecond.”

Mass | Definition, Units, & Facts

Mass, in physics, quantitative measure of inertia, a fundamental property of all matter. It is, in effect, the resistance that a body of matter offers to a change in its speed or position upon the application of a force. Mass is measured in units of kilograms.

www.britannica.com

“The joule (pronounced /ˈdʒuːl/, JOOL or /ˈdʒaʊl/JOWL; symbol: J) is the unit of energy in the International System of Units (SI).[1]”

Joule - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

So you measure mass by defining its energy

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Mass is energy in a standing wave condition, aka a particle.

My bad, I meant matter is energy in a standing wave. The mass of matter is measured by energy.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You’re the only one talking about religion, at least between the two of us, as far as defining oneself or who’s trying to help us.

You asked who is attempting to help me "ascend" - he most obvious answer would be religion.

There’s been many species throughout the universe that have transcended physical existence.

But the only way I can find about them is through death/near death - again that's a really high risk to reward ratio.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

My bad, I meant matter is energy in a standing wave. The mass of matter is measured by energy.

“Matter waves are a central part of the theory of quantum mechanics, being half of wave–particle duality. All matter exhibits wave-like behavior. For example, a beam of electrons can be diffracted just like a beam of light or a water wave.”

Matter wave - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Mass is energy in a standing wave condition, aka a particle.

Which means it is not “pure energy”. Pure energy as defined has no mass.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

You asked who is attempting to help me "ascend" - he most obvious answer would be religion.

But the only way I can find about them is through death/near death - again that's a really high risk to reward ratio.

No, I think religion is a trap.

I disagree. I think it comes down to more how you live your life and how you choose to be and operate your mind. If you don’t even try to know, then you’ll never know.