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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Homosexuality is a dead-end in evolutionary terms...

And a dead end in happiness or fulfillment. I’m not anti gay, but I think a homosexual lifestyle leads to an emptiness of sorts. You get old, have no family. Like idc that people are gay, but living that lifestyle comes at a cost, if someone like radically dedicates their life to it.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

That's kinda how it goes when you get busted committing crimes. It LE wants a bigger fish, then you can flip or you can do your time.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

And a dead end in happiness or fulfillment. I’m not anti gay, but I think a homosexual lifestyle leads to an emptiness of sorts. You get old, have no family. Like idc that people are gay, but living that lifestyle comes at a cost, if someone like radically dedicates their life to it.

I know gay people that have families. You can adopt, if you're a woman, there is artificial insemination. Maybe those are they gay rights Justice Thomas was referring to when he said Dobbs v Jackson opens the opportunity to go after gay rights.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Actually it's not puritanical...evolution and species propagation is the reason...no matter how you spin it...

Homosexuality is a dead-end in evolutionary terms...

I call it puritanical because of the religious underpinnings of thinking *** in any way is perversion.

Without religion being involved, *** is just another bodily function, and a body is just a body.

The discussion is not about whether homosexual *** can create life, it’s about whether homosexual orientation is a choice.
Thxone conflates ****** orientation with ****** activity, and physical anatomy with thought processes in the brain/mind.
It’s been explained to him many times, but he simply refuses to allow reality to interfere with his beliefs and feelings.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

‘Seems that someone is REALLY hung up on the puritanical nonsense belief that ****** activity is only for reproduction, and that *** of any kind without reproduction is perversion.
It’s simply wrong, and any adult should know that.

Keep in mind that's "perversion" in the non-pejorative sense. In a purely evolutionary sense "*** for fun" would be "perversion." OTOH, since we evolved in such way that *** is entertaining and creates social bonds, serves as a "hobby," can contribute to a monogamous relationship, etc, so if *** indeed serves purposes outside of reproduction, then it would cease to be a perversion.

I don't recall seeing Thx reference the bible, so perhaps this has nothing to do with a puritanical belief system and just a very narrow view of how/why *** evolved and what purpose it serves our species.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

The evolutionary baseline would be male - female intercourse...that's how certain traits/genes are propagated and others fall to the wayside in subsequent generations...homosexuality doesn't allow for that without a science kit...so to say hetero isn't the norm is dishonesty...

As for choice...any urge acted upon or denied is a choice...whether it's a ****** act or not...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Actually it's not puritanical...evolution and species propagation is the reason...no matter how you spin it...

Homosexuality is a dead-end in evolutionary terms...

Not necessarily. Homosexuality doesn't prevent one from passing on their genes. Have you ever noticed how women fawn over gay men? I'd say they have alot of opportunities to pass along their genes.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Not necessarily. Homosexuality doesn't prevent one from passing on their genes. Have you ever noticed how women fawn over gay men? I'd say they have alot of opportunities to pass along their genes.

If they don't engage in hetero ***...they can't ...unless you consider the science kit anything other than circumventing natural selection...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The evolutionary baseline would be male - female intercourse...that's how certain traits/genes are propagated and others fall to the wayside in subsequent generations...homosexuality doesn't allow for that without a science kit...so to say hetero isn't the norm is dishonesty...

As for choice...any urge acted upon or denied is a choice...whether it's a ****** act or not...

No one said it’s the “norm”. If it were, there’d be a lot less of us.

Choice. You too are conflating physical activity with orientation.

Assuming you like blondes more than brunettes: Did that just occur on its own, or did you sit down and say “I choose to like blonde more than brunette”?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

No one said it’s the “norm”. If it were, there’d be a lot less of us.

Choice. You too are conflating physical activity with orientation.

Assuming you like blondes more than brunettes: Did that just occur on its own, or did you sit down and say “I choose to like blonde more than brunette”?

You're denying that an urge acted upon is a choice...that's not conflating anything...the only thing in life that is not a choice is aging and death...EVERYTHING else is...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You're denying that an urge acted upon is a choice...that's not conflating anything...the only thing in life that is not a choice is aging and death...EVERYTHING else is...

No, I’m not. I’m actually pretty sure I’ve expressed that exact sentiment multiple times.

What you and Thx are conflating is the physical activity with the mental proclivity.
They are two very different things.

To express it simply: You love steak but find chicken almost tolerable.
You are at a dinner with your significant other. There is one steak and one chicken breast left. She loves steak too.
You magnanimously give up the steak to her and eat the chicken. Does this choice mean that in your head you now like chicken or you like chicken more than steak?

No. The activity does not prove the proclivity.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Nah, we can cover it here.

I am assuming you are a man. If you want to conceive a child naturally to carry on your bloodline are you going to choose to butt-slam your buddy Rob and hope for the best or are you just going to have ****** intercourse with a fertile woman since the both of you are already equipped with the correct equipment to do so?

Please explain to me the "Choice" to do this with a fertile woman given that a mans anus is ill-equipped to grow a child and a woman's womb is designed to do that very thing. Explain how that is a choice and not just human nature. Explain to me the other optional holes you can deposit your seed into naturally that will grow a child.

Understand what the "choice" is here. The "choice" is to CONCEIVE A CHILD NATURALLY. So explain the "choices" you have to do that naturally.

I've never said it was a choice (for me) and never has been. OTOH at one point you said you chose not to be gay and then came up with this twisted logic about heterosexuality's isn't a choice but homosexuality is a choice and IIRC there were conditions where heterosexuality could be choice. And of course none of this makes sense because if one must actively chose to be gay, then that same person would have to actively chose heterosexuality thus making heterosexuality a choice, but you claim it isn't a choice.

My "non-choice" to be heterosexual has nothing at all do with conceiving children. I'm one of those "perverts" who engages in (hetero) ****** activity for non procreative purposes. As a matter fact most of my sexuality has been with full intent of not conceiving a child and since my vasectomy conceiving children is no longer an option for me, luckily *** still is.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

If they don't engage in hetero ***...they can't ...unless you consider the science kit anything other than circumventing natural selection...

Some of the folks I've known has gone the au naturale route, others science kit. And how about this, gay couple adopts kid saving said kid from a life of poverty and probable early demise. Have they not furthered the species even if their own genes are not passed along? Something similar is common in some species where the Alpha female(s) reproduce but all the females take part in child rearing.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The evolutionary baseline would be male - female intercourse...that's how certain traits/genes are propagated and others fall to the wayside in subsequent generations...homosexuality doesn't allow for that without a science kit...so to say hetero isn't the norm is dishonesty...

As for choice...any urge acted upon or denied is a choice...whether it's a ****** act or not...

Nobody is saying homosexuality is the norm. In my experience and ~everything I've read on the subject says that homosexuality is as much a "non-choice" for homosexuals as my heterosexuality was a "non-choice" for me. Ie, I've never heard a gay man say, "I was really into banging broads, but then one day it occurred to me that if I went gay and found a partner approximately my size that would instantly double my wardrobe and I never wanted kids anyway, so I made the big switch."

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

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