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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Dupe post. Why is the board ******** with me?!?!!?!?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Dupe post. Why is the board ******** with me?!?!!?!?

Reverse censorship! They’re making you say things TWICE!
Damn lizard people!

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Really? I said Biden has drained our diesel resulting in a near complete economic shutdown. Holy cow... when did I say that?!?!?

I have been commenting on several news sources stating that the amount of diesel left is dwindling fast and is below a months supply. My comments are if that happens, the US would shut down. Now... instead of making my comments more than they are and trying to twist them into some right wing conspiracy theory so you guys can argue, why don't you guys try not leading with your argumentative instincts and just take the post for what it was. MY OPINIONS ON WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE RAN OUT OF DIESEL. Jesus Christ you people are exhausting.

Why even post a bunch of "what if" scenarios? Why not just post provable facts? Why post conspiracy theories and opinions and then say, "prove me wrong?" Just do some research and post provable facts to back up what you posted.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Why even post a bunch of "what if" scenarios? Why not just post provable facts? Why post conspiracy theories and opinions and then say, "prove me wrong?" Just do some research and post provable facts to back up what you posted.

See my previous post below. Trump is clearly aware of the GOP has a huge fan base who are completely willing to proceed minus any facts to support their positions and is willing to take complete advantage of their ability to believe anything. Does the GOP fan base accept that their political belief system is devoid of facts? Or are they aware they can't back their beliefs with facts, but prefer the flexibility of a belief system that doesn't require facts? I guess there is a certain freedom in a belief system that isn't based in facts because you can never be wrong, you're always right, it's just the "bad guys" have covered up the truth. Also doesn't require as much time and effort since you no longer need to research, fact check, double and triple check, logic test, educate yourself, etc. IMHO, it astonishing that 10s of millions of people have gone down this path.

So speaking of conspiracy theories, was it the GOP's plan all along to create a legion of "cult" followers who believed in conspiracy theories and had no need of facts to back their anti-liberal narratives? Not that the liberals don't give the GOP plenty of "real" stuff to work with. However, "no facts required" makes it really easy to pivot on demand, take the worse of the left and exaggerate it something unbelievable (like SandyHook was a false flag operation), yet get people to buy into it.

I've posted serval times before that I think a pivotal moment in our political history was when Ronnie Rayguns eliminated the Fairness Doctrine. The Fairness Doctrine stated that radio and TV stations had to give time to both political views, so there would be no such thing as CNN or FoxNews in a Fairness Doctrine world.

Eliminating the Fairness Doctrine resulted in the explosion of right wing conservative talk radio in the 80s-90s. Eventually you end up with Rush Limbaugh a quasi-intellectual, red meat conservative dominating the airwaves for decades. Next along comes FoxNews and does to cable television what Limbaugh did to radio. If it ended there in say 2000, I think we'd be okay today. I could live with a news world where one station had one half of the story/facts and the another station had the other side of the story.

However, conservative radio kept pushing the boundaries and went from a biased presentation to twisting and distorting the facts to eventually just making up facts. Conservative radio and TV pounded CNN, et al every time they phucked up and actually did put out "Fake News" creating a belief in their base if you didn't get the info from a conservative then it's false information. Then youtube, twitter, 4chan, 8chan, etc created a whole new breed of misinformation propagator with unlimited reach and no barrier to entry. We have Trump referring to anything that didn't fit his agenda as "Fake News." Eventually Fox decides facts be damned and jumps on board and now we're where we are today.

So the question is, was this all part of a master plan? Basically it's a version of the Soviet/Communist state controlled news/history/information, except the modern conservative movement found a different mechanism than outright dictate to control the narrative and realized they only need to control the narrative with ~40% of the population. Is this just an unfortunate series of events that led us to here today. Or was there a master plan, a conspiracy, to create a political base that was willing to completely disregard facts, that perhaps on some level don't understand the difference between fact and fiction...

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Welcome back...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Why even post a bunch of "what if" scenarios? Why not just post provable facts? Why post conspiracy theories and opinions and then say, "prove me wrong?" Just do some research and post provable facts to back up what you posted.

I am glad you asked that question, rhetorical or not. Why post a bunch of "what if's" as you called it. Well, it starts conversations. That's why. It allows for interaction from other people and sets the tone for a back and forth, an exchange of thoughts, opinions and information.

Why not just post provable facts? <--- This was your question. Well, for one, this is an internet forum. It is not a place where every outcome depends on or needs facts. This is a place literally created for continuing conversations between people. You know, a "conversation" - a talk, especially an informal one, between two or more people, in which news and ideas are exchanged.

You far left guys apparently feel your conversation skills are sub-par or you may not know how to have an actual conversation. Whatever the situation it has caused you to fall back on just posting what you have accepted as facts and now think arguments are conversation. If they had only taught something in school that might help...

With that said MSNBC is already telling us "Wide spread voter fraud does not exist in the United States" Why do they feel the need to tell us this? The voting isn't even done yet and they are already in defensive mode. Now if Republicans win will the left remember that there is no wide spread voter fraud or will they cry foul?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Maybe this quote explains the GOP's fan base's "aversion" to facts and willingness to embrace misinformation. They believe they're the purveyors of truth, therefore anything that conflicts with their world views, their narrative or their positions is, by definition, false. Anything that supports their positions is, by definition, truth. That would explain why they often take positions with no evidence to support the position. When pressed for facts, they can't provide them because "the people in control" are hiding the facts. I guess somehow CNN & youtube have seized complete control of the dissemination of information and suppressed all the evidence proving there was a national conspiracy involving millions of people to steal the election. This is how the CDC has hidden that miscarriages are up ~2.25x (truth alert - the vax triples your chances of a miscarriage). It's actually gotten to the point that what's important to the GOP fan base is belief in the conspiracy not the belief in conservatism (see Liz Cheney and the crop of "stolen election believers" that will soon populate the halls of congress).

“Democrats are not going to be able to handle free speech and the corrupt Democratic Party will fall apart after hearing the truth,” one Truth Social user gravely intoned after Musk purchased Twitter.

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[RobGMN Premium Member]

I am glad you asked that question, rhetorical or not. Why post a bunch of "what if's" as you called it. Well, it starts conversations. That's why. It allows for interaction from other people and sets the tone for a back and forth, an exchange of thoughts, opinions and information.

Why not just post provable facts? <--- This was your question. Well, for one, this is an internet forum. It is not a place where every outcome depends on or needs facts. This is a place literally created for continuing conversations between people. You know, a "conversation" - a talk, especially an informal one, between two or more people, in which news and ideas are exchanged.

You far left guys apparently feel your conversation skills are sub-par or you may not know how to have an actual conversation. Whatever the situation it has caused you to fall back on just posting what you have accepted as facts and now think arguments are conversation. If they had only taught something in school that might help...

With that said MSNBC is already telling us "Wide spread voter fraud does not exist in the United States" Why do they feel the need to tell us this? The voting isn't even done yet and they are already in defensive mode. Now if Republicans win will the left remember that there is no wide spread voter fraud or will they cry foul?

You keep claiming you are looking for “conversation”, but every time the conversation goes down a path where you are proved wrong, you simply yell “eat diicks” or some other ad hominem.
If you want “conversation” so much, then you should make an effort to support your side of it. Maybe do a little research, a little digging, a little learning. Present a cogent argument instead of “blow a donkey”.

You seem to dislike facts being posted, but those are what get used to prove a claim. You don’t prove a claim with feelings or beliefs or opinions. If you want conversation about feelings, then post your favorite color and we can converse.
If you want to come here and say “Pelosi facilitated the events of Jan 6th and we all know it”, then you can be damn sure facts are going to get discussed. This is not a safe space for sharing feelings. It’s Thunderdome where you can post whatever you want, but really should expect to get called on it.

Why do you have such a problem with ANY infotainment outlet saying there is no fraud? I haven’t seen a single complaint from you about all of the cries (including your own) that there IS fraud. Do you think only unsubstantiated claims are OK, but stating those claims are wrong is a bad thing?

Do you REALLY want conversation, or do you just want to not be accountable for what you claim?
If you REALLY want conversation, then be a part of one. Stop the insults. Stop the personal attacks. Stop the “I’m right because I said so”. Stop the circular arguments. Stop the false accusations.
Converse and argue like an adult should.

This is both an offer and a challenge.

 

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[RobGMN Premium Member]

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Oil is nationalized?
Why would 2018 oil production tell you who to vote for?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I am glad you asked that question, rhetorical or not. Why post a bunch of "what if's" as you called it. Well, it starts conversations. That's why. It allows for interaction from other people and sets the tone for a back and forth, an exchange of thoughts, opinions and information.

Why not just post provable facts? <--- This was your question. Well, for one, this is an internet forum. It is not a place where every outcome depends on or needs facts. This is a place literally created for continuing conversations between people. You know, a "conversation" - a talk, especially an informal one, between two or more people, in which news and ideas are exchanged.

You far left guys apparently feel your conversation skills are sub-par or you may not know how to have an actual conversation. Whatever the situation it has caused you to fall back on just posting what you have accepted as facts and now think arguments are conversation. If they had only taught something in school that might help...

With that said MSNBC is already telling us "Wide spread voter fraud does not exist in the United States" Why do they feel the need to tell us this? The voting isn't even done yet and they are already in defensive mode. Now if Republicans win will the left remember that there is no wide spread voter fraud or will they cry foul?

Depends on the purpose of the 'what if' scenario. For example, is it to present some scenario in which Biden destroys the economy or is it genuinely spur conversation? If it's to spur conversation, then one shouldn't be shocked when all the holes in the "what if scenario" get pointed out rather than an acceptance the Sleepy Joe is indeed about to implode the economy.

Some people tend to prefer facts over fictional what if scenarios, conspiracy theories, etc. That's just how some people are. Personally, I was misled by the GOP for a good decade, but upon "reviewing" GOP positions with the same vigor I did liberal positions, I discovered the GOP is as full of shyt as the DNC if not more. So I default to looking for a full set of facts first. Now I find the GOP is no longer a party of "half the facts," but rather a party almost completely devoid of facts.

We'll see what MSNBC does. I suspect MSNBC will not pursue a "stolen election" narrative and instead focus on the fact that we just elected a bunch of "stolen election believers," which I personally find a little scary. I prefer that "my" politicians, whether I voted for them or not be grounded in reality and make choices based on facts rather than conspiracy theories.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Oil is nationalized?
Why would 2018 oil production tell you who to vote for?

These idiots can't even get their memes right. Oil production now is at the same levels at 2018. It would be a much better meme if it pointed out oil production was higher in 2019 than today. The one thing they certainly don't want you to see is when oil production started ramping up - fyi ironically oil production exploded upward while our first non-American terrorist was president. Oil production increased ~ 60% under our first terrorist president.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels per Day)

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I'd say "stay away" to Biden if I were a Dem running for office. Biden has no vision for the future, just "watch out for the evil GOP."

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[ThxOne Premium Member]

You keep claiming you are looking for “conversation”, but every time the conversation goes down a path where you are proved wrong, you simply yell “eat diicks” or some other ad hominem.
If you want “conversation” so much, then you should make an effort to support your side of it. Maybe do a little research, a little digging, a little learning. Present a cogent argument instead of “blow a donkey”.

You seem to dislike facts being posted, but those are what get used to prove a claim. You don’t prove a claim with feelings or beliefs or opinions. If you want conversation about feelings, then post your favorite color and we can converse.
If you want to come here and say “Pelosi facilitated the events of Jan 6th and we all know it”, then you can be damn sure facts are going to get discussed. This is not a safe space for sharing feelings. It’s Thunderdome where you can post whatever you want, but really should expect to get called on it.

Why do you have such a problem with ANY infotainment outlet saying there is no fraud? I haven’t seen a single complaint from you about all of the cries (including your own) that there IS fraud. Do you think only unsubstantiated claims are OK, but stating those claims are wrong is a bad thing?

Do you REALLY want conversation, or do you just want to not be accountable for what you claim?
If you REALLY want conversation, then be a part of one. Stop the insults. Stop the personal attacks. Stop the “I’m right because I said so”. Stop the circular arguments. Stop the false accusations.
Converse and argue like an adult should.

This is both an offer and a challenge.

First, do you know the difference between a "conversation" and a "debate"? I ask because what you are constantly doing is trying to combine BOTH. I am not even close to wanting to debate every damn time I see YOU have responded to something. If I wanted to debate every damn post I would go to a forum where that was the soul purpose of the forum. What you don't seem to get is not every post is about getting into a debate.

Second, I like facts just fine. I like feelings just fine as well. If I want to say Pelosi facilitated the events of Jan 6th I sure as hell can go right ahead and say it. What YOU need to understand is that you cannot refute what I am saying with "facts" because YOU DON'T HAVE THEM. You weren't there so anything you want to use to argue with is second hand news. At best you can give me your opinion on the events and surprise, surprise... we would be in a conversation.

I think right off the bat you are biased. You call it "infotainment". How is that ANY different than Trump calling them "Fake News". To me it seems like BOTH titles accomplish the same thing. It's not truthful for them to say their is NO fraud. Everyone has agreed there is some fraud. Even one act is still fraud.

I 100% want to have conversations but it is my opinion that what you do is not conversation. What you do is debate. Like I said, I am not here for debates, to be talked down too, to be told what to think, what I said or what I meant. Which again, you do. When I call you names it is because you have done these things.

Counter offer and challenge. Learn what a conversation is as apposed to a debate and you are more than welcome to have a conversation with me. If your goal is a debate, make that known and if I choose to debate you, I will. Like an adult. But if I lose, I will be a child about it.