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[ThxOne Premium Member]

If Biden is doing so much more for oil than Trump then why is gas so much higher under Biden? What was the magic that Trump was doing that gas was cheaper under him?
I never claimed Biden was "doing so much more for gas and oil than Trump". I simply have been pointing out all along that your claims and complaints that Biden sets the gas prices are simply incorrect, and provided proof why.
As was said, you decided to double, triple, quadruple (and more) down on your claims, insisting that you are correct and any fact to the contrary was a a lie as part of the "big conspiracy".

Trump's "magic" for lower NOMINAL pricing was multi-faceted. 1) He inherited lower nominal pricing 2) The pandemic that happened under his watch crushed nominal pricing due to reduced demand 3) Nominal pricing on almost any product rises over time. As does the income that pays for the product.
It's not "magic, it's "economics".

Don't give me this pandemic bullshit. That shit happened at the end of his presidency. How was gas so much cheaper for the entire 4 years Trump was president than Biden? Again, don't try that he inherited lower this and that from Obama either. If you want to stick to that bullshit then let's knock of the first and last years of Trumps run... let's focus on the middle two years, yup still way cheaper than Biden... so what's the secret? Why can't we just do whatever was being done under Trump?

Look at price history charts for gas. Look carefully at when the prices hit the level you are singing from the rooftops about. Do you notice that gas prices plummeted when we went into a national lockdown from the pandemic? Do you think that is pure coincidence, or that Trump woke up and said "We need to lower gas prices for the world today?" (that is not a rhetorical question. Go ahead and answer it).

You want the middle of Trump's run to be your basis of comparison? Fine. Adjusted for inflation, the price of gas in 2018 was $3.82 In 2019 it was $3.83. In 2021 it was $3.90.
That works out to less than a dollar PER WEEK for the average American driver (who drives about 259 miles per week).
Meanwhile, the average wage in 2018 was $52,145. In 2021 it was $60,575.

So under Biden, Americans are making $162.00 more per week (or 16%), while under Biden their gas price has gone up $.07/week (1.8%).
Tell us again how Biden controls gas prices and how he is destroying the country by making us pay so much more for gas. Remember to include the fact that he is giving us such a nice increase in wages in your explanation.


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You don't need these calculators... the numbers are already documented. No need to come up with new and different numbers. Yet again, more fluff.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You don't need these calculators... the numbers are already documented. No need to come up with new and different numbers. Yet again, more fluff.

Please explain "new and different numbers". What do you mean by this phrase?

Please speak to the answers I have provided to your questions and to your claims.

Please answer the questions I have posed of you.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Please explain "new and different numbers". What do you mean by this phrase?

Please speak to the answers I have provided to your questions and to your claims.

Please answer the questions I have posed of you.

It is actually self explanatory. I said you don't need these calculators... you know, the one's you just posted. You could just site the actual documented numbers. How hard was that to decipher huh lil buddy?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It is actually self explanatory. I said you don't need these calculators... you know, the one's you just posted. You could just site the actual documented numbers. How hard was that to decipher huh lil buddy?

"cite" and "ones"
Moving on, please answer these questions:
How do YOU determine real pricing over time without using calculations?
Can you provide an example of the "actual documented numbers" you are talking about, and tell me how they were derived?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Good job on those quotes. I am glad you were so full of shit that YOU couldn't back anything up that you said. Troll.

I'm just pointing out what happened and why you got the responses you did. Why are getting bent out of shape by our responses. You put forth the questions, challenged the positions, staked you own position. You're welcome to continue believing that OPEC+ isn't the primary player in the game, but if you challenge that position, you shouldn't get out of shape when others provide evidence to support the claim. Maybe you think I make baseless claims, but I don't, so if I express an opinion on here, you can assume it's backed by considerable data, facts, stats, research, etc.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Sure, we can keep pointing out each other's small little insignificant typos. . . it's a fun game.

Let's roll then.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Let's roll then.

Are we keeping a score card? I just got Thxone for 2 in the same post.
Is punctuation included? That would be three for him already.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Are we keeping a score card? I just got Thxone for 2 in the same post.

@Kayge is another triggered Republican. I can't wait to see how they try and spin these Woodward interviews.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Our Country is screwed. Most Republicans are crack pots conspiracy theorists.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

If Biden is doing so much more for oil than Trump then why is gas so much higher under Biden? What was the magic that Trump was doing that gas was cheaper under him?

Don't give me this pandemic bullshit. That shit happened at the end of his presidency. How was gas so much cheaper for the entire 4 years Trump was president than Biden? Again, don't try that he inherited lower this and that from Obama either. If you want to stick to that bullshit then let's knock of the first and last years of Trumps run... let's focus on the middle two years, yup still way cheaper than Biden... so what's the secret? Why can't we just do whatever was being done under Trump?

I'm fine with not using pandemic numbers. To answer your question, which has been answered before in detail, but here's the readers digest version. Biden isn't doing "so much more," he's doing moderately more if that. Secondly, I am of the opinion that the POTUS has very very limited control over gas prices and that supply and demand are the controlling factors in oil prices. I reject the claim that either Trump or Biden did anything of consequence to influence gas prices.

Now that I've answered your questions, here's some for you. Since you seem to be of the opinion that Presidents in some way control gas prices, what did Trump do or not do that caused gas prices to increase from Jan 2017 when he took office until Dec 2019?

What has Biden "actually done" to increase gas prices? By "actually done" I mean things that actually happened, ie saying "I'm going after big oil, I'm shutting down drilling" doesn't count unless he actually shut down drilling. Since drilling is up 60% and the courts overturned Biden's attempts to stop drilling, Biden hasn't "actually" shut down drilling. Or is it something Biden isn't doing that Trump did do?

Gas prices dropped significantly from ~$3.75/gal to ~$2.60/gal from the summer of 2014 until Dec 2016; how was Obama able to accomplish this feat?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Our Country is screwed. Most Republicans are crack pots conspiracy theorists.

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The same 2/3rds probably believe the whole Clinton, blood libel, human trafficking's, ********* ring, Qanon thing. While I'm venturing guesses, I'd bet the same 2/3rds can't comprehend why Alex Jones's first amendment rights don't protect him from defamation in the Sandy Hook case, but do allow him to make similarly outrageous claims against Biden, the UN, WHO, Fauci, et al. And that the same 2/3rds probably don't find Jones's claims against Biden, et al the least bit outrageous. I bet Kanye is a big Alex Jones fan. Trump has a real shot in 2024.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

@Kayge is another triggered Republican. I can't wait to see how they try and spin these Woodward interviews.

Kayge.... Kanye....hmmmmmmm.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Moving on, please answer these questions:
How do YOU determine real pricing over time without using calculations?
Can you provide an example of the "actual documented numbers" you are talking about, and tell me how they were derived?

Two major problems. You cannot determine a real pricing over time without a calculation. Two, if the numbers were derived, then there was a calculation involved, which means I guess the number is useless. Makes me question my calc classes, where you don't just generate a number with a calculation, but a graph and then you derive another graph from that graph and yet another graph from that graph. I guess that was an exercise in futility... then again computers.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Two major problems. You cannot determine a real pricing over time without a calculation. Two, if the numbers were derived, then there was a calculation involved, which means I guess the number is useless. Makes me question my calc classes, where you don't just generate a number with a calculation, but a graph and then you derive another graph from that graph and yet another graph from that graph. I guess that was an exercise in futility... then again computers.

I haven’t gotten past that he thinks an average is not an exact number.

And I even gave him the very simple example of 7+5=12 12 shared between two people is an average of 6 each. 6+6 gives you 12. The EXACT original sum.

Oof.