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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Nah, you’re political or too biased, when you disregard what FL said about it. There’s a reason they said what they said, and a lot of other people are saying it, too. You’re brainwashed by media, if you think there aren’t both liberals and conservatives on both sides of the vax issue. People don’t want their kids injured. Don’t lecture me about facts, when you say FL recommending certain people not to get the vaccine, based on admitted side effects, is a political move. Science says there’s a lot of problems with these experimental genetic vaccines, and you’re the only one talking about politics here.

From what you said, sounds like when a dude got covid, that the vaccine didn’t protect him from getting, he had heart problems. Amazing. So how many people have heart problems after taking the vaccine and still catching covid there in your wife’s clinic? Might be a link there, and it’s not political. Quit bullshitting me; you’re making it politcal.

The problem with Florida's recommendation is twofold.

1) Lapado is DeSantis appointee and nobody has been more anti-covid policy than DeSantis.
2) Lapado is basing policy off a report that literally leaves out 1/2 the facts. At least they were honest enough to point out that vax risks should be weighted against covid risk. Too bad they chose to leave the stats regarding heart issues arising from covid. Maybe you don't think that's political, but clearly it is.

As for how brainwashed I've been by MSM and my liberal leanings, you want to review what I actually post here. I certainly don't post much CNN or MSNBC and if I do it's more likely to point out how full of shyt those offensive organizations are. IIRC, I linked you to the actual study that Lapado is using to support his weak position and to CDC data.

You can claim CDC is biased, but you would hard pressed to provide any evidence to support that position. As a matter of fact CDC has been "so neutral" that they don't even mount a defense to the misinformation campaigns from people like Tyler Durden. Almost all the factual data you guys post actually came from the CDC. 1/2 the facts come from studies done in Florida to prop up the "don't get the vax" politics that dominate that state and are helping fuel DeSantis's presidential run. Keep in mind this is the guy that forbade local schools from enacting their own mask mandates.

I'm not slinging BS, I'm just telling you the facts. What's BS about ~7x more heart problems from infection vs vaccination? Just because you don't like facts that don't fit your narrative doesn't mean they're BS. Just because you don't like that I counter balance the 1/2 the facts that are presented with the whole set of facts doesn't make them BS. If the vax mandate crowd were allowed to get away with presenting just 1/2 the facts they could very easily justify mandates. Would you allow Rob & Bobbi to pretend that only vaccinations create an immune response or that the vax immune response is superior to natural immunity? Would you allow me to pretend that covid is still in Delta phase and hasn't evolved into the much less deadly omicron variant? Would you allow us to pretend there is no such thing as breakthrough cases? So why I should I not bring up that the data shows actual covid adverse effects are far more likely than vax induced adverse effects? Why should I sit idly by when somebody (you?) posts that Pfizer hid 100% miscarriage rate in their trials?

You could safely assume that ~70-80% of my wife's clinic's patient have had the vax (general population is about ~70-80% vaxxed). Couldn't tell you what order they got covid, heart problems and vaxxed in, she's not in a research facility, she's in an outpatient clinic. I do know their #s were way up prior to the vax. Same group that's getting hit by the vax, younger males often athletic/fit. There is also the possibility that a vaxxed person had asymptomatic covid. BTW, I think the reason you're seeing so many fit/athletic people being affected is they're paying more attention to what's going with the hearts. There is another subset who do their hearts more harm than good - was it the case of Oreos or the vax or covid that did them in? It is logical assume that perhaps stacking the vax on top of covid (or vice versa) and then adding boosters into the mix could have an negative side effect in some people.

You also have pulmonary (lung) issues that are common with covid and can present as heart problems and cause heart problems including heart attack. Might there be some correlation, between getting both vaxxed and catching covid - sure. Is there evidence to support that yet? Ideally a peer reviewed study vs obviously biased reports issued to prop up (IMHO) politically motivated policy.

Luckily heart disease/issues have been well studied and they have a lot of solutions available whether covid or vax or some combination of factors lead to the heart issues. BTW, it should be noted that I initially wasn't going to get the vax. I got it in May after data started to come in and showed far better outcomes with the vax and limited serious side effects. I was lucky to be vaxxed just prior to the Delta surge. Again when it came to the kids, I was hesitant, but once I found out that at the onset of puberty both Covid and Vax became more likely to cause issues, we opted to get them vaxxed while they were still prepubescent.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

The problem with Florida's recommendation is twofold.

1) Lapado is DeSantis appointee and nobody has been more anti-covid policy than DeSantis.
2) Lapado is basing policy off a report that literally leaves out 1/2 the facts. At least they were honest enough to point out that vax risks should be weighted against covid risk. Too bad they chose to leave the stats regarding heart issues arising from covid. Maybe you don't think that's political, but clearly it is.

As for how brainwashed I've been by MSM and my liberal leanings, you want to review what I actually post here. I certainly don't post much CNN or MSNBC and if I do it's more likely to point out how full of shyt those offensive organizations are. IIRC, I linked you to the actual study that Lapado is using to support his weak position and to CDC data.

You can claim CDC is biased, but you would hard pressed to provide any evidence to support that position. As a matter of fact CDC has been "so neutral" that they don't even mount a defense to the misinformation campaigns from people like Tyler Durden. Almost all the factual data you guys post actually came from the CDC. 1/2 the facts come from studies done in Florida to prop up the "don't get the vax" politics that dominate that state and are helping fuel DeSantis's presidential run. Keep in mind this is the guy that forbade local schools from enacting their own mask mandates.

I'm not slinging BS, I'm just telling you the facts. What's BS about ~7x more heart problems from infection vs vaccination? Just because you don't like facts that don't fit your narrative doesn't mean they're BS. Just because you don't like that I counter balance the 1/2 the facts that are presented with the whole set of facts doesn't make them BS. If the vax mandate crowd were allowed to get away with presenting just 1/2 the facts they could very easily justify mandates. Would you allow Rob & Bobbi to pretend that only vaccinations create an immune response or that the vax immune response is superior to natural immunity? Would you allow me to pretend that covid is still in Delta phase and hasn't evolved into the much less deadly omicron variant? Would you allow us to pretend there is no such thing as breakthrough cases? So why I should I not bring up that the data shows actual covid adverse effects are far more likely than vax induced adverse effects? Why should I sit idly by when somebody (you?) posts that Pfizer hid 100% miscarriage rate in their trials?

You could safely assume that ~70-80% of my wife's clinic's patient have had the vax (general population is about ~70-80% vaxxed). Couldn't tell you what order they got covid, heart problems and vaxxed in, she's not in a research facility, she's in an outpatient clinic. I do know their #s were way up prior to the vax. Same group that's getting hit by the vax, younger males often athletic/fit. There is also the possibility that a vaxxed person had asymptomatic covid. BTW, I think the reason you're seeing so many fit/athletic people being affected is they're paying more attention to what's going with the hearts. There is another subset who do their hearts more harm than good - was it the case of Oreos or the vax or covid that did them in? It is logical assume that perhaps stacking the vax on top of covid (or vice versa) and then adding boosters into the mix could have an negative side effect in some people.

You also have pulmonary (lung) issues that are common with covid and can present as heart problems and cause heart problems including heart attack. Might there be some correlation, between getting both vaxxed and catching covid - sure. Is there evidence to support that yet? Ideally a peer reviewed study vs obviously biased reports issued to prop up (IMHO) politically motivated policy.

Luckily heart disease/issues have been well studied and they have a lot of solutions available whether covid or vax or some combination of factors lead to the heart issues. BTW, it should be noted that I initially wasn't going to get the vax. I got it in May after data started to come in and showed far better outcomes with the vax and limited serious side effects. I was lucky to be vaxxed just prior to the Delta surge. Again when it came to the kids, I was hesitant, but once I found out that at the onset of puberty both Covid and Vax became more likely to cause issues, we opted to get them vaxxed while they were still prepubescent.

I said you making it political is BS. You’re disregarding what Florida says because of your own political nature. That’s the problem. I’m not a liberal or conservative, fyi. I don’t trust CDC data, and the data I post about death counts from the vaccine are low from them, IMO. Covid was initially killing some people because it kept oxygen from binding to blood in the lungs. That’s not what the spike proteins from the MRNA injections are doing. The spike protein production inside of people from cellular programming is dangerous and spreading out into all parts of the body and wreaking havoc. People getting myocarditis and what not from the vaccines are getting it permanently. It’s not temporary, where they’re having a reaction and it goes away. The cardiac problems from covid vaccines in young people are permanently harming them from a disease they have almost no chance of dying from. It’s ridiculous. But many experts said it was safe and effective and they’ve lied the whole way through this to make bank off people’s fear, while engaging in a mass censorship program ran by the UN and nation-state govs.

Natural immunity from getting covid is much more effective than the vaccine will ever be. It’s medically stupid to get a young person vaccinated for covid when they’ll just get mildly sick and have protection for a very long time compared to the vaccine. “Hello, yea, I’d like 4 shots of the exact same thing, so I can still catch the disease I’m being vaccinated for, because that’s a solid working medical product.”

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I said you making it political is BS. You’re disregarding what Florida says because of your own political nature. That’s the problem. I’m not a liberal or conservative, fyi. I don’t trust CDC data, and the data I post about death counts from the vaccine are low from them, IMO. Covid was initially killing some people because it kept oxygen from binding to blood in the lungs. That’s not what the spike proteins from the MRNA injections are doing. The spike protein production inside of people from cellular programming is dangerous and spreading out into all parts of the body and wreaking havoc. People getting myocarditis and what not from the vaccines are getting it permanently. It’s not temporary, where they’re having a reaction and it goes away. The cardiac problems from covid vaccines in young people are permanently harming them from a disease they have almost no chance of dying from. It’s ridiculous. But many experts said it was safe and effective and they’ve lied the whole way through this to make bank off people’s fear, while engaging in a mass censorship program ran by the UN and nation-state govs.

Natural immunity from getting covid is much more effective than the vaccine will ever be. It’s medically stupid to get a young person vaccinated for covid when they’ll just get mildly sick and have protection for a very long time compared to the vaccine. “Hello, yea, I’d like 4 shots of the exact same thing, so I can still catch the disease I’m being vaccinated for, because that’s a solid working medical product.”

1. COVID has killed well over 6 million people. This is a fact.
2. The vaxxine works. This is a fact that has been proved in many ways, not the least of which is higher number of deaths in certain groups that refuse to be vaxed, versus other groups that have been vaxed.

One can reasonably extrapolate that if A) COVID kills and B) The vax reduces COVID deaths, then C) There would be more deaths without the vax than there have been WITH the vax.

This leads to the question regarding your desire for natural immunity by exposure/infection over a vaccine: What do you consider an acceptable number of deaths to occur in order for our population to build natural immunity by exposure and infection?
Science has estimated the death toll could be at more than five TIMES what it was had there been no vaccines developed.
Would you consider 35 million dead to date an acceptable number in order to "save" us from taking the vaccine?
That's 28 million more people who would have gotten COVID and died b/c they did not build enough immunity when they got it.
Good number?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I said you making it political is BS. You’re disregarding what Florida says because of your own political nature. That’s the problem. I’m not a liberal or conservative, fyi. I don’t trust CDC data, and the data I post about death counts from the vaccine are low from them, IMO. Covid was initially killing some people because it kept oxygen from binding to blood in the lungs. That’s not what the spike proteins from the MRNA injections are doing. The spike protein production inside of people from cellular programming is dangerous and spreading out into all parts of the body and wreaking havoc. People getting myocarditis and what not from the vaccines are getting it permanently. It’s not temporary, where they’re having a reaction and it goes away. The cardiac problems from covid vaccines in young people are permanently harming them from a disease they have almost no chance of dying from. It’s ridiculous. But many experts said it was safe and effective and they’ve lied the whole way through this to make bank off people’s fear, while engaging in a mass censorship program ran by the UN and nation-state govs.

Natural immunity from getting covid is much more effective than the vaccine will ever be. It’s medically stupid to get a young person vaccinated for covid when they’ll just get mildly sick and have protection for a very long time compared to the vaccine. “Hello, yea, I’d like 4 shots of the exact same thing, so I can still catch the disease I’m being vaccinated for, because that’s a solid working medical product.”

I'm not making it political BS, but I'm sure as hell gonna call Lapado and DeSantis out. Nobody has made bigger "Political BS" out of covid than DeSantis. It's clearly a flawed report, practically by their own admission.

This is why people like you (and I guess that's most people) are impossible to debate. You say covid was killing some people because it was keeping oxygen from binding to blood. No acknowledgement of clotting or myocarditis or the myriad of other ways Covid kills. So again we're dealing with 1/2 the facts. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, that clotting and myocarditis weren't left out because just because they are the big 2 complaints when it comes to vaccines - we'll assume that's just coincidence. Unfortunately, the data clearly indicates that clotting, myocarditis, hospitalization, death, Gillian Barde syndrome, et al are far more common when you catch covid vs getting vaxxed. That's just the facts.

So now you're left with questioning the facts/data. So CDC, WHO and every other major health organization in the world is involved in a massive cover up to inflate the damage caused by covid and deflate the damage caused by vaccines. That's a conspiracy theory. And like most conspiracy theories it hinges on the fact that since there is are no facts to prove the theory, that just proves there is a cover up and a conspiracy. Sorry, I have no reason to believe CDC is involved in a massive world wide conspiracy and lots of reason to believe they are not. Maybe they're just that good, but I doubt it, they actually f'up quiet a bit to pull of a conspiracy of this size and scope.

IMHO, there is no reason at all post these "quasi-newsy hit pieces" in an attempt to bolster your position, because armed with the massive amounts of data available on covid, these articles cannot withstand scrutiny. So you're left with nothing but a conspiracy theory. Why bother trying to prove a conspiracy theory in the first place? The essence of any good conspiracy theory is that the conspirators have hidden all evidence of the crime, that's why your conspiracy theory can never be put the test. The whole point of the conspiracy theory is to fail the "facts test" because it's the lack of facts that proves the conspiracy is afoot. You should really read William Cooper's Behold a Pale Horse. That's how conspiracies work. David Icke is another good conspiracy theorist.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

1. COVID has killed well over 6 million people. This is a fact.
2. The vaxxine works. This is a fact that has been proved in many ways, not the least of which is higher number of deaths in certain groups that refuse to be vaxed, versus other groups that have been vaxed.

One can reasonably extrapolate that if A) COVID kills and B) The vax reduces COVID deaths, then C) There would be more deaths without the vax than there have been WITH the vax.

This leads to the question regarding your desire for natural immunity by exposure/infection over a vaccine: What do you consider an acceptable number of deaths to occur in order for our population to build natural immunity by exposure and infection?
Science has estimated the death toll could be at more than five TIMES what it was had there been no vaccines developed.
Would you consider 35 million dead to date an acceptable number in order to "save" us from taking the vaccine?
That's 28 million more people who would have gotten COVID and died b/c they did not build enough immunity when they got it.
Good number?

Is any price too high to avoid ~75% of the world population being turned into walking 5g hotspots at the command of the elites?

I don't get why anybody would take on this debate, it's not the data "favors" the vaccine. It's beyond overwhelming. I remember going thru some stats and you were anywhere from 10 to 1000 time better off vaxed vs infected (depending on the adverse effect).

I'm fine with people who believe in conspiracy theories. We all know "they" are doing and hiding stuff behind our backs. However, I see "them" doing so much stuff right out the open, that I question why they bother hiding anything from us. That said, fine if you want to believe in conspiracies, then believe in them. But when you ask others to join your side, then lets not be disingenuous with quasi-scientific looking reports or 1/2 the facts (or less) news articles in some attempt to be speaking from fact/data/science when clearly you are not. Just sell the conspiracy theory: CDC, WHO, et al are pumping up covid #s and lying to us about how much damage the vax is doing in an attempt to take of the world.

It would also be nice if the backers of these conspiracy theories treated us who are dealing with the data available as something other than idiots marching to our deaths because we're too stupid to see the real facts. Obviously the real facts are being hidden from us, so we can only go with the facts and data available to us. I'm not willing to take the leap of faith that the conspiracy theorist are asking me to take. Ironically the conspiracy theorist expect me to take the same leap of faith that religion requires while they attack religions as means to control the masses.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

It’s not a conspiracy that an experimental vaccine that’s never been successfully mass deployed before is not working that well. The most powerful people in our gov, relating to medicine, lied about it’s safety and effectiveness forever and illegally tried to shove experimental shots down people’s throats, and you still can’t say there’s a net benefit, when we’re only a couple of years into the long term safety trials, which are being ran by injecting the masses. The vaccines are highly ineffective and hurting people who have almost no risk of serious injury if they catch Covid. There is a clear link to heart and neuro problems specifically related to these experimental shots, whether or not anyone likes it or not, and the CDC has covered up deaths and problems related to the vaccine because of how they consider people fully vaccinated after 2 weeks from injection. This is literally a global program ran by eugenicists to introduce genetic engineering medicine that nobody ever would’ve taken normally, and that’s why they had to create covid and a mass panic around it, so that people would lose their senses. Very wealthy and influential groups have bragged about how nobody would’ve taken these genetic based shots if Covid hadn’t happened.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

It’s not a conspiracy to say that eugenics is alive and well in the western medical systems, and that the world elite class want to merge humans and machines- that’s openly talked about, and so is implanting people with brain chips and nanotechnology. Nanotechnology is literally what the MRNA vaccines are, because it’s AI and man made artificial genetic programming that directly instructs the cells in people’s bodies about what to do- MRNA is hard programming language for people’s cells. The Covid scare is being used to usher us into the age of transhumanism, where corporations are going to define the human form and bind it with technology, and it’s the same crowd who says we need way less people on Earth to be sustainable.

I’m definitely biased against mass MRNA nanotechnology experiments on the masses based off mass fear campaigns. MRNA being introduced now has opened the door wide for accepted eugenics treatments.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

1. COVID has killed well over 6 million people. This is a fact.
2. The vaxxine works. This is a fact that has been proved in many ways, not the least of which is higher number of deaths in certain groups that refuse to be vaxed, versus other groups that have been vaxed.

One can reasonably extrapolate that if A) COVID kills and B) The vax reduces COVID deaths, then C) There would be more deaths without the vax than there have been WITH the vax.

This leads to the question regarding your desire for natural immunity by exposure/infection over a vaccine: What do you consider an acceptable number of deaths to occur in order for our population to build natural immunity by exposure and infection?
Science has estimated the death toll could be at more than five TIMES what it was had there been no vaccines developed.
Would you consider 35 million dead to date an acceptable number in order to "save" us from taking the vaccine?
That's 28 million more people who would have gotten COVID and died b/c they did not build enough immunity when they got it.
Good number?

Now you are using words like "reasonable" and "Estimated".

Hey Rob, what is an acceptable number of deaths to use an untested, experimental vaccine?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Now you are using words like "reasonable" and "Estimated".

Hey Rob, what is an acceptable number of deaths to use an untested, experimental vaccine?

I’d say it is unacceptable to use an untested vaccine on people.

I’m OK with them using a vaccine when tests involving over 100,000 people were done that indicated the vaccine is far safer than the risk of death caused by COVID.

Were you under the impression there were no clinical trials done on the vaccine/s before they started giving them to people?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

It’s not a conspiracy (editted for brevity's sake), and the CDC has covered up deaths and problems related to the vaccine (again editted for brevity's sake)

That is the f'ing definition of a conspiracy.

Conspiracy - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

A conspiracy is a secret agreement between two or more people to commit an unlawful or harmful act. A person who believes that the government is secretly controlled by power brokers, in flagrant violation of the U.S. Constitution, is an example of a conspiracy theorist.

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You're asking me to take your word that there is a cover up, which is fine. It's the pretense that "you guys" have some set of facts or data to support you position that the covid vaxes are actually more dangerous covid when you have no such data/facts because the Conspirators (CDC, WHO, et al) have covered up the deaths and problems related to the vaccine; CDC, WHO et al have exaggerated the dangerous nature of Covid. While I'm absolutely certain the data is problematic, that is far from what you are suggesting.

You're asking me to believe in a conspiracy theory. Sorry, but CDC, WHO, et al have more credibility in my eyes than Tyler Durden, Alex Jones, David Icke, QAnon(s), etc.

The +120 deaths/100k people from 2019 to 2020 was just CDC data manipulation. The 1million extra dead bodies are just a figment of our imagination or maybe part of some other biological experiment... The freezer trucks, full morgues, full emergency rooms, massive funeral pyres in India, patients lining the halls of Italian hospitals, etc, etc, etc - all part of a massive coordinated misinformation campaign conducted by Google, CNN, CDC, Fauci, Democrats, the world wide healthcare system, the world wide "funeral system." All conducted under the scrutiny of the most covered event in the history of mankind. I could continue, but that's the definition of conspiracy theory, so lets not pretend that the anti-vax crowd is asking us to believe in anything other than a conspiracy theory.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I’d say it is unacceptable to use an untested vaccine on people.

I’m OK with them using a vaccine when tests involving over 100,000 people were done that indicated the vaccine is far safer than the risk of death caused by COVID.

We’re you under the impression there were no clinical trials done on the vaccine/s before they started giving them to people?

So from the release of COVID-19 in the United States until the first drop of vaccine hit a vein, that was enough trial for you?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I’d say it is unacceptable to use an untested vaccine on people.

I’m OK with them using a vaccine when tests involving over 100,000 people were done that indicated the vaccine is far safer than the risk of death caused by COVID.

We’re you under the impression there were no clinical trials done on the vaccine/s before they started giving them to people?

At this point the "testing" has reached into the 100s of millions, probably billions. Ironically we can see death rates dropping at the ratio of vaxxed increases and the infected decreases. Or it's all part of a massive world wide conspiracy - your choice...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

At this point the "testing" has reached into the 100s of millions, probably billions. Ironically we can see death rates dropping at the ratio of vaxxed increases and the infected decreases. Or it's all part of a massive world wide conspiracy - your choice...

Why assume it is the vaccine? Covid could be running its course, its life cycle if you will for dangerous infections and may have just evolved into a far less harmful virus on its own.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Why assume it is the vaccine? Covid could be running its course, its life cycle if you will for dangerous infections and may have just evolved into a far less harmful virus on its own.

Almost every pandemic fades out over two years or so. That’s just nature. What isn’t natural is how the stronger delta variant mutation came after the weaker initial strain, that was strange. I’ve wondered if the vaccines targeting the original strain are what caused delta to mutate stronger.