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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

It's Florida. Remember how pissed you guys were Covid was getting cited in cases where Covid wasn't the underlying cause of death. Apparently, that doesn't bother you when such methodology can be used to blame the death on the Vax though. Doesn't look like the accounted for comorbidity either.

This study cannot determine the causative nature of a participant’s death. We used death certificate data and not medical records. COVID testing status was unknown for those who did not die of/with COVID. Cardiac-related deaths were ascertained if an ACME code of I3-I52 were on their death certificate, thus, the underlying cause of death may not be cardiac-related.

^^^^^ from Limitations page 3 of 8 (for some reason I suspect that link won't work). Google ACME code of I3-I52 and it should be one of the first links.

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Ironically, the Florida study says the vaccine risk should be measured against the disease risk. Luckily CDC is well aware of the increase in cardiac events in young males after mRNA vaxs and furthermore, CDC was nice enough to do risk comparison:

Among males aged 12–17 years, the incidences of myocarditis and myocarditis or pericarditis were 50.1–64.9 cases per 100,000 after infection, 2.2–3.3 after the first vaccine dose, and 22.0–35.9 after the second dose; incidences of myocarditis, pericarditis, or MIS were 150.5–180.0 after infection. RRs for cardiac outcomes comparing infected persons with first dose recipients were 4.9–69.0, and with second dose recipients, were 1.8–5.6; all RRs were statistically significant.

Among males aged 18–29 years, the incidences of myocarditis and myocarditis or pericarditis were 55.3–100.6 cases per 100,000 after infection, 0.9–8.1 after the first vaccine dose, and 6.5–15.0 after the second dose; incidences of myocarditis, pericarditis, or MIS were 97.2–140.8 after infection. RRs for cardiac outcomes comparing infected persons with first dose recipients were 7.2–61.8, and with second dose recipients, were 6.7–8.5; all RRs were statistically significant.

Apparently the risk to young females is negligible. Luckily for US citizens (and the world) CDC has compiled a lot data and been relatively transparent about it. CDC never hid the limited effectiveness of masks. CDC was open about the issues with data gathering, etc, etc, etc. I'm not sure why Florida has chosen to recommend against the vax for 5-39 year olds, but I suspect it's political since it appears you're about 7 times better off with a double dose of vax vs Covid and I'm pretty your chances of not getting exposed to Covid are close to zero. I know I combed over data before getting the kiddos vaxed and ~14yr old is when you see the cardiac events jump, so we were motivated to get the vaxxed while they were young. I'm not sure why Florida didn't follow a similar approach, then again even recommending against vax for ~14-39 seems suspect.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7114e1.htm

The reason I’m not buying that the vaccines are good is there’s been numerous reports of young and healthy people and athletes having heart issues right after taking the vaccine. Dude, hardly any young people died from covid, the risks of most people dying from covid is absurdly low; it’s absurd to say young people need to get vaccinated. Most people who die from covid are old or fat and have multiple other health issues, where covid came along and was just the straw that broke their camel’s back, so to speak, as many viral infections can do. I’d like to see if they tested the people who got covid for myocarditis before and after a covid infection. Many people in our country already have severe cardiac problems, being as it is the #1 killer of Americans for years, well before covid, so you’d expect heath problems in people, even not related to covid or vaccine testing.

The MRNA injections literally produce tons and tons of spike proteins in the body, and that’s the culprit for the cardiac problems. This experimental vaccine is a disaster. People are having neurological and cardiac problems, and they’re finding the spike proteins from the vaccines in their blood and brains; the spike proteins can damage DNA, mess up women’s periods, all sorts of shit. Otherwise healthy people, including KIDS, are dropping dead or suffering from life long health damages after taking this shit experimental vaccine that has never stopped infection or stopped the pandemic or been as safe as they said it would be. People weren’t having multi-foot long blood clots pulled out of their bodies after catching Covid, but they are after taking the vaccine.

You’re the one making it political. I could give a f*ck about politics, when greedy snakes are pushing bad experimental medicine onto kids, and it’s ruining or ending their lives. The vaccines and all the health measures the gov put into place haven’t done shit to help or stop this planned bioweapon attack that was released onto the entire world. Feel free to keep taking the eugenics shots, though, that don’t work very well for anything and come with tons of ‘side’ effects. We don’t even know what all health problems are going to continue to arise from the experimental genetic shots, because there’s no long term testing, aka you are the experiment. This is only beginning of the problems. That’s your choice as an adult

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

A state health department is warning that experimental medicine is causing health problems and recommends certain age groups shouldn’t take them, due to the health problems the experimental medicine is causing people. How f*cking hard is that to grasp? An experimental medicine that never passed the actual safety tests that all other medicines go through is causing strange health problems and killing people?! Imagine my shock

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The reason I’m not buying that the vaccines are good is there’s been numerous reports of young and healthy people and athletes having heart issues right after taking the vaccine. Dude, hardly any young people died from covid, the risks of most people dying from covid is absurdly low; it’s absurd to say young people need to get vaccinated. Most people who die from covid are old or fat and have multiple other health issues, where covid came along and was just the straw that broke their camel’s back, so to speak, as many viral infections can do. I’d like to see if they tested the people who got covid for myocarditis before and after a covid infection. Many people in our country already have severe cardiac problems, being as it is the #1 killer of Americans for years, well before covid, so you’d expect heath problems in people, even not related to covid or vaccine testing.

The MRNA injections literally produce tons and tons of spike proteins in the body, and that’s the culprit for the cardiac problems. This experimental vaccine is a disaster. People are having neurological and cardiac problems, and they’re finding the spike proteins from the vaccines in their blood and brains; the spike proteins can damage DNA, mess up women’s periods, all sorts of shit. Otherwise healthy people, including KIDS, are dropping dead or suffering from life long health damages after taking this shit experimental vaccine that has never stopped infection or stopped the pandemic or been as safe as they said it would be. People weren’t having multi-foot long blood clots pulled out of their bodies after catching Covid, but they are after taking the vaccine.

You’re the one making it political. I could give a f*ck about politics, when greedy snakes are pushing bad experimental medicine onto kids, and it’s ruining or ending their lives. The vaccines and all the health measures the gov put into place haven’t done shit to help or stop this planned bioweapon attack that was released onto the entire world. Feel free to keep taking the eugenics shots, though, that don’t work very well for anything and come with tons of ‘side’ effects. We don’t even know what all health problems are going to continue to arise from the experimental genetic shots, because there’s no long term testing, aka you are the experiment. This is only beginning of the problems. That’s your choice as an adult

I've never said they "need" to get vaxxed. I've expressed numerous times that I'm against mandates. OTOH, I don't like see misinformation, biased information, etc used to talk people out of using the vax. My wife works in a cardio vascular unit and of the patients that have come thru with covid/vax issues it's been nearly exclusively covid caused. A notable exception being the fella who felt is was caused by the vax, even though he didn't show symptoms until he had breakthrough covid.

The numbers show beyond a doubt that you're better off vaxxed than unvaxxed. I just showed you that young males are 7x more likely to suffer heart problems from covid vs mRNA, so what is the logic behind avoiding the vax? If you think you can avoid the Covid, then I guess go for it, but an average young male is going to have a hard time avoiding Covid. If you're that concerned about an adverse cardiac event, then get the J&J vax. That's just an honest assessment of your covid vs vax risk based on facts. Not Florida's political leanings, not 1/2 the facts, just all the facts for people to make an informed decision. I'm sorry that any analysis that includes all the facts tends to support getting the vax, but that's just how it is. Surprise, surprise, but the really smart guys with ph'Ds working on this stuff just might know what they're doing.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I've never said they "need" to get vaxxed. I've expressed numerous times that I'm against mandates. OTOH, I don't like see misinformation, biased information, etc used to talk people out of using the vax. My wife works in a cardio vascular unit and of the patients that have come thru with covid/vax issues it's been nearly exclusively covid caused. A notable exception being the fella who felt is was caused by the vax, even though he didn't show symptoms until he had breakthrough covid.

The numbers show beyond a doubt that you're better off vaxxed than unvaxxed. I just showed you that young males are 7x more likely to suffer heart problems from covid vs mRNA, so what is the logic behind avoiding the vax? If you think you can avoid the Covid, then I guess go for it, but an average young male is going to have a hard time avoiding Covid. If you're that concerned about an adverse cardiac event, then get the J&J vax. That's just an honest assessment of your covid vs vax risk based on facts. Not Florida's political leanings, not 1/2 the facts, just all the facts for people to make an informed decision. I'm sorry that any analysis that includes all the facts tends to support getting the vax, but that's just how it is. Surprise, surprise, but the really smart guys with ph'Ds working on this stuff just might know what they're doing.

Nah, you’re political or too biased, when you disregard what FL said about it. There’s a reason they said what they said, and a lot of other people are saying it, too. You’re brainwashed by media, if you think there aren’t both liberals and conservatives on both sides of the vax issue. People don’t want their kids injured. Don’t lecture me about facts, when you say FL recommending certain people not to get the vaccine, based on admitted side effects, is a political move. Science says there’s a lot of problems with these experimental genetic vaccines, and you’re the only one talking about politics here.

From what you said, sounds like when a dude got covid, that the vaccine didn’t protect him from getting, he had heart problems. Amazing. So how many people have heart problems after taking the vaccine and still catching covid there in your wife’s clinic? Might be a link there, and it’s not political. Quit bullshitting me; you’re making it politcal.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Nah, you’re political or too biased, when you disregard what FL said about it. There’s a reason they said what they said, and a lot of other people are saying it, too. You’re brainwashed by media, if you think there aren’t both liberals and conservatives on both sides of the vax issue. People don’t want their kids injured. Don’t lecture me about facts, when you say FL recommending certain people not to get the vaccine, based on admitted side effects, is a political move. Science says there’s a lot of problems with these experimental genetic vaccines, and you’re the only one talking about politics here.

From what you said, sounds like when a dude got covid, that the vaccine didn’t protect him from getting, he had heart problems. Amazing. So how many people have heart problems after taking the vaccine and still catching covid there in your wife’s clinic? Might be a link there, and it’s not political. Quit bullshitting me; you’re making it politcal.

The vaccine is bad per Buck.
Studies are showing that COVID death rates are higher among unvaxed Republicans than vaxed Democrats.
Ergo, Buck wants Republicans to die.

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w30512/w30512.pdf

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You really ARE confused about feelings versus facts.
No wonder you so often think because you feel one way about something, it must then be fact.
It CAN be, but that doesn’t by default mean it IS.

Again... this "feelings" thing is YOUR narrative.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Again... this "feelings" thing is YOUR narrative.

Were you on the vodka hard when you posted about it being my “feelings” that news networks editorialize instead of just reporting the news?

“Well, those are your feelings.”
“So you are using your feelings to determine that "the news" is infotainment”
“Republicans use facts along with feelings.”
“Do adults cry about their feelings being hurt on an internet forum?”
“I mentioned military family members in a conversation and relayed their feelings.”
“talk about my feelings and compare those FEELINGS to gas prices”
“Do you think you are less of a man to show feelings? Use feelings? Have feelings? I hate to break it to you but "feelings" are a major part of decisions”

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Were you on the vodka hard when you posted about it being my “feelings” that news networks editorialize instead of just reporting the news?

Stay on track dummy. Stop flipping from one focus to another. When I speak to you about "feelings" being your narrative I mean when you are using it to describe me. When I say you are using YOUR feelings I am talking about you. Again... not rocket science.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Stay on track dummy. Stop flipping from one focus to another. When I speak to you about "feelings" being your narrative I mean when you are using it to describe me. When I say you are using YOUR feelings I am talking about you. Again... not rocket science.

You have demonstrated plenty of times that you consider your feelings as fact.
It just doesn’t work that way, no matter how much you were told as a child that everything you do is perfect.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You have demonstrated plenty of times that you consider your feelings as fact.
It just doesn’t work that way, no matter how much you were told as a child that everything you do is perfect.

I guess you feel you just had to push that point across huh? Now you are trying the perfect child shit... how about the participation trophies? Any other crap you wanna try to toss in there? You are such a little biitch aren't you? I correct you because you are dumb and you resort to these little insults... that you have done already. There is NO originality with you. Go take your medicine kid.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I guess you feel you just had to push that point across huh? Now you are trying the perfect child shit... how about the participation trophies? Any other crap you wanna try to toss in there? You are such a little biitch aren't you? I correct you because you are dumb and you resort to these little insults... that you have done already. There is NO originality with you. Go take your medicine kid.

You haven’t been able to correct me on a single thing since we started this back-and-forth way back when.
There’s a veritable laundry list I could post of your attempts and failures, some of which people are STILL laughing at you for:
more than 99 but less than 100%; 90 M&Ms; monoleaf springS; aN yellow car; etc.

If nothing else, you’re entertaining in your unwavering belief you are right, despite all proof to the contrary.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You haven’t been able to correct me on a single thing since we started this back-and-forth way back when.
There’s a veritable laundry list I could post of your attempts and failures, some of which people are STILL laughing at you for:
more than 99 but less than 100%; 90 M&Ms; monoleaf springS; aN yellow car; etc.

If nothing else, you’re entertaining in your unwavering belief you are right, despite all proof to the contrary.

I am sure there is a list... because that's all you do. Make irrelevant list and argue and blah blah blah. Get a life kid.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I am sure there is a list... because that's all you do. Make irrelevant list and argue and blah blah blah. Get a life kid.

Let's test your memory queer.

It was 99 but less than 100. No percentage was in the original argument.
I made a comment that the 10 red M&M's were left out of the listed colors as a joke. You lefties lost your shit.
I am correct on the Mono leaf spring and the only reason you should mention it as it did not involve you is if you are in fact Slo_Ride.
I never said "aN yellow car" That is the combination YOU used to insure it was incorrect so you could argue. My use of AN before a word beginning with the letter Y was and is still correct.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Let's test your memory queer.

It was 99 but less than 100. No percentage was in the original argument.
I made a comment that the 10 red M&M's were left out of the listed colors as a joke. You lefties lost your shit.
I am correct on the Mono leaf spring and the only reason you should mention it as it did not involve you is if you are in fact Slo_Ride.
I never said "aN yellow car" That is the combination YOU used to insure it was incorrect so you could argue. My use of AN before a word beginning with the letter Y was and is still correct.

Ahhh, homophobia and ad hominem in the same sentence. Someone must be getting all triggered again.
My memory is well above average, thank you.
You're wrong. The article referenced more than 99 but less than 100 PERCENT of a group being vaccinated. It didn't say "more than 99 but less than 100 PEOPLE", you goon. And then you jumped in with the stupid "how do you vaccinate PART of a person" argument.

You are still wrong on your argument that there can't be monoleaf springS on a car. The OED showed it. So did a manufacturer of monoleaf springS. Your claim that you were correct was that the editors of the OED are "fallible humans" and got the definition and usage wrong.

"aN yellow car was aN example of the improper use of "an" before a word that begins with a consonant "y". In that debacle, you said that the English grammar and usage textbooks I quoted were wrong, but YOU were right, even though you could not find any reference in any textbook that proved it.

Funny, you follow the same argument path a lot. The experts are always wrong, but you are right.
From math, to grammar, even to medical science.
Millions of people being taught the wrong info while YOU know better.

You know that ditty about "if everyone in the room is crazy but you, then YOU might be the crazy one"?
You're living it.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Ahhh, homophobia and ad hominem in the same sentence. Someone must be getting all triggered again.
My memory is well above average, thank you.
You're wrong. The article referenced more than 99 but less than 100 PERCENT of a group being vaccinated. It didn't say "more than 99 but less than 100 PEOPLE", you goon. And then you jumped in with the stupid "how do you vaccinate PART of a person" argument.

You are still wrong on your argument that there can't be monoleaf springS on a car. The OED showed it. So did a manufacturer of monoleaf springS. Your claim that you were correct was that the editors of the OED are "fallible humans" and got the definition and usage wrong.

"aN yellow car was aN example of the improper use of "an" before a word that begins with a consonant "y". In that debacle, you said that the English grammar and usage textbooks I quoted were wrong, but YOU were right, even though you could not find any reference in any textbook that proved it.

Funny, you follow the same argument path a lot. The experts are always wrong, but you are right.
From math, to grammar, even to medical science.
Millions of people being taught the wrong info while YOU know better.

You know that ditty about "if everyone in the room is crazy but you, then YOU might be the crazy one"?
You're living it.

You are wrong. Lover of gay men.