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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Nor should your employer... had you been able to comprehend what you read you would have already switched to the next topic.

In other words, you simply refuse to answer one simple question about this law you feel exists.
Why is that?
Is it because the answer will show you are wrong?

You insist that I am not smart, so please educate me.
Tell me what punishment a judge and jury could hand down if I am caught and convicted for breaking the “law” that says I cannot work without being paid for it.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

In other words, you simply refuse to answer one simple question about this law you feel exists.
Why is that?
Is it because the answer will show you are wrong?

You insist that I am not smart, so please educate me.
Tell me what punishment a judge and jury could hand down if I am caught and convicted for breaking the “law” that says I cannot work without being paid for it.

No less than 3 times I explained it to you. You are the one again, adding shit to the conversation (the bold underlined selection) and then focusing on what you said, demanding an answer for what YOU said. Just stop before you stroke out.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

No less than 3 times I explained it to you. You are the one again, adding shit to the conversation (the bold underlined selection) and then focusing on what you said, demanding an answer for what YOU said. Just stop before you stroke out.

Ahhhhh, we’ve reached the point where you claim you’ve done something that you never did, in order to shift focus from you failure.

Fine. Quote the post where you answered what punishment I could get from the legal/justice system if I am caught and convicted of working for my employer without getting paid.
For extra credit, reference a court case where it happened.

That will settle this discussion and prove you are correct about this “law”.
However, an inability to tell me the punishment will show that you do not understand the law and are making claims based on your feelings

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Ahhhhh, we’ve reached the point where you claim you’ve done something that you never did, in order to shift focus from you failure.

Fine. Quote the post where you answered what punishment I could get from the legal/justice system if I am caught and convicted of working for my employer without getting paid.
For extra credit, reference a court case where it happened.

That will settle this discussion and prove you are correct about this “law”.
However, in inability to tell me the punishment will show that you do not understand the law and are making claims based on your feelings

You are for sure one of those idiots I would wet noodle arm slap right in the mouth.

When did I say YOU would get convicted by the legal/justice system?
I didn't.

I told you 3 times you could get fired. That is your punishment.

Your employer would be at the mercy of the legal/justice system for your actions as their employee. YOU PUT THEM AT RISK LEGALLY, YOURSELF WITH EMPLOYMENT.

Is that clear enough or will you still claim I said YOU would suffer any kind of "legal" action? Since you are dumb and will for sure do that very thing, show me my post where I said that and not your interpretation of whatever.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You are for sure one of those idiots I would wet noodle arm slap right in the mouth.

When did I say YOU would get convicted by the legal/justice system?
I didn't.

I told you 3 times you could get fired. That is your punishment.

Your employer would be at the mercy of the legal/justice system for your actions as their employee. YOU PUT THEM AT RISK LEGALLY, YOURSELF WITH EMPLOYMENT.

Is that clear enough or will you still claim I said YOU would suffer any kind of "legal" action? Since you are dumb and will for sure do that very thing, show me my post where I said that and not your interpretation of whatever.

You said it is illegal for ME to work for my employer without being compensated.
You said there are laws regarding this. You quoted federal regulation and statute about employER law, but no federal regulation or statute that prevents an employEE from doing it. In this case, “ME” and “employEE” are synonymous. You

If you are claiming there is a law to prevent an employEE from working without getting paid, then by default you are claiming there must also be a punishment for breaking that law.
That is how laws work, otherwise there would be no reason NOT to break them.

So let’s focus on your claim that it is illegal for ME to work without getting paid, not that it is illegal for my employer to not pay me for my work.
If it’s truly illegal for ME, the employEE, then what are the legal punishment a judge and jury could hand down to ME for doing this “illegal” act?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You said it is illegal for ME to work for my employer without being compensated.
You said there are laws regarding this. You quoted federal regulation and statute about employER law, but no federal regulation or statute that prevents an employEE from doing it. In this case, “ME” and “employEE” are synonymous. You

If you are claiming there is a law to prevent an employEE from working without getting paid, then by default you are claiming there must also be a punishment for breaking that law.
That is how laws work, otherwise there would be no reason NOT to break them.

So let’s focus on your claim that it is illegal for ME to work without getting paid, not that it is illegal for my employer to not pay me for my work.
If it’s truly illegal for ME, the employEE, then what are the legal punishment a judge and jury could hand down to ME for doing this “illegal” act?

My lord. What you are doing you fucking stupid shit is being a cocksucker on purpose. If you are employed and paying taxes (non-exempt employee) then ANY TIME you work off the clock and that work benefits your employer, laws have been broken. You MUST BE PAID. It does not matter if they have knowledge that you are working off the clock or not. It is illegal. Do you need to be told a 5th time you juvenile retard?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

My lord. What you are doing you fucking stupid shit is being a cocksucker on purpose. If you are employed and paying taxes (non-exempt employee) then ANY TIME you work off the clock and that work benefits your employer, laws have been broken. You MUST BE PAID. It does not matter if they have knowledge that you are working off the clock or not. It is illegal. Do you need to be told a 5th time you juvenile retard?

"It is illegal."
What punishment can the court ("judge and jury" were your words) make me suffer if I am caught and convicted of breaking this law that makes it illegal for me to work without being paid?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

"It is illegal."
What punishment can the court ("judge and jury" were your words) make me suffer if I am caught and convicted of breaking this law that makes it illegal for me to work without being paid?

I never said they would.

You are really getting boring now.

It's like you are putting forth NO effort to listen.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I never said they would.

You are really getting boring now.

It's like you are putting forth NO effort to listen.

YOU said it is illegal for ME to do it.
Again, that means by default that *I* can be punished for it even if you didn't expressly claim that.
(An analogy might be saying you drove your Mazda to McDonald's. Even through you didn't expressly say it, that means you rolled on a set of tires.)

So, by your claim that it is illegal for ME to do something, then there MUST also be a punishment the justice system can bestow upon me if I am convicted of doing that illegal thing.
What is the possible punishment from the court via the judge and jury?

I'll even be kind and say "can you PLEASE just answer that simple question?"

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

YOU said it is illegal for ME to do it.
Again, that means by default that *I* can be punished for it even if you didn't expressly claim that.
(An analogy might be saying you drove your Mazda to McDonald's. Even through you didn't expressly say it, that means you rolled on a set of tires.)

So, by your claim that it is illegal for ME to do something, then there MUST also be a punishment the justice system can bestow upon me if I am convicted of doing that illegal thing.
What is the possible punishment from the court via the judge and jury?

I'll even be kind and say "can you PLEASE just answer that simple question?"

Apparently that is not the case now is it. You with your singular views on everything.

There is a punishment. The employer in this case bares the punishment for your action by allowing you to do it. They do not need to be aware of it for it to be illegal. They just have to had profited by your actions. This does not mean monetarily.

There are more than one meaning for phrases as well. Why you choose to always pick the one's that cause an argument is pretty childish if you ask me.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

So that's one theory. Of course groups like the CIA have contingency plan upon contingency plan. Looks like the approach the NATO allies settled upon is working pretty well right now.

Except the part where Ukraine isn’t part of NATO. Why the f*ck are we even there overthrowing their gov in the first place?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Who thinks Biden had the Crimea bridge blown up?

The only thing Biden knows how to blow up is his trousers. Definitely somebody else called that shot.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Apparently that is not the case now is it. You with your singular views on everything.

There is a punishment. The employer in this case bares the punishment for your action by allowing you to do it. They do not need to be aware of it for it to be illegal. They just have to had profited by your actions. This does not mean monetarily.

There are more than one meaning for phrases as well. Why you choose to always pick the one's that cause an argument is pretty childish if you ask me.

"If you are working on that lunch you are working off the clock. It is not rocket science, not a Trump conspiracy... It's just breaking the law."
"There are reasons for these laws and none of your spins or fast talking would fool a judge or prosecuting attorney."
-Thxone

These are your words, your singular views that YOU posted, and there really aren't any "multiple meanings" that could be claimed of them.
It is very clear that you think working during a lunch hour is working "off the clock", which is "breaking the law".
Working "off the clock" is "the work employees perform outside of their working hours and for which they are not compensated." Skipping a 30-consecutive -minutes lunch but taking three ten-minute breaks is not "working off the clock", no matter how much you FEEL it should be. So you're already wrong on that point, but we'll continue:

The second part of what you say there is also very clear. It states *I* am "breaking the law", since *I* would be the one "working off the clock".

In another post, you tack on that none of my "spins or fast talking would fool a judge or prosecuting attorney". This indicates you think *I* would be in court, defending myself in front of a judge or prosecuting attorney. There is no other reason those people would hear my "spins or fast talking", except for ME being prosecuted. In court. For breaking your "law".

So, it is fully established that *I* would be the one breaking the law AND that *I* would be the one going to court for doing so. These are YOUR claims. Clear as crystal.
Given those claims: What is the legal punishment I could face if my defense is a failure and I get convicted of breaking this law you believe exists?

I'm not asking for an employer-meted punishment, but a LEGAL punishment from the JUDGE.
What is it?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Except the part where Ukraine isn’t part of NATO. Why the f*ck are we even there overthrowing their gov in the first place?

You claim they overthrew their gov't. Given the politics in the region and the wide margin of victory I'd say Zelensky is their rightful President. Given the job he's done so far, I'd say it was a good choice. If he can turn this into membership with NATO or some sort of quasi-membership in the EU/NATO, then I'll be highly impressed.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Who thinks Biden had the Crimea bridge blown up?

Biden may have, but he can honestly say, "I don't recall."