What is?

[powerlifter405]

The death rate was up around 3% of people infected at the beginning. I don't remember anybody saying that the vax would totally eradicate Covid 100%. It did lower the death rate by quite a bit. Do you really think Doctors didn't treat patients because they didn't like Trump? It's interesting how Republicans don't want to get vaxxed but want to give Trump credit for the vaccine. It's also funny how Republicans want to blame all the stimulus checks for our current inflation but forget that Trump forced his name to be on those checks. Would you have worn a mask if the HIV virus was airborne? Why did every other country in the World wear masks if they didn't help (not prevent)? Why were people begging for the vaccination when they were dying in the hospital if it doesn't help? I think we know who they voted for.

My uncle had aids and it didn't change our interactions with him.
Several studies were done and many proved masks don't provide a negligible benefit. Here is some info on one.

Landmark Study Finds Masks Are Ineffective

Lockdowns and mask mandates are social engineering tactics to prepare citizens for the Great Reset. In the eyes of Technocrats, you must obey their pseudo-science. The spread of COVID-19 is blamed on humans who refuse to obey, and therefore all must be further punished.

www.technocracy.news

Probably because that what social media and news outlets were saying.

And most covid deaths were the result of other underlying health factors. Obesity, poor general health etc.

 

[powerlifter405]

The death rate was up around 3% of people infected at the beginning. I don't remember anybody saying that the vax would totally eradicate Covid 100%. It did lower the death rate by quite a bit. Do you really think Doctors didn't treat patients because they didn't like Trump? It's interesting how Republicans don't want to get vaxxed but want to give Trump credit for the vaccine. It's also funny how Republicans want to blame all the stimulus checks for our current inflation but forget that Trump forced his name to be on those checks. Would you have worn a mask if the HIV virus was airborne? Why did every other country in the World wear masks if they didn't help (not prevent)? Why were people begging for the vaccination when they were dying in the hospital if it doesn't help? I think we know who they voted for.

Total deaths fror 2019 and 2020 remained nearly identical yet supposedly millions died directly from the rona.

Here’s information on SADS from 2006. Is it a “thing” now, or just a thing that the anti-vaxxers can use to say “the vaccine is killing us!!”?

2006 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16923744/

2007 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1955549/#!po=2.50000

Here's the most recent cdc numbers.

FastStats

FastStats is an official application from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and puts access to topic-specific statistics at your fingertips.

www.cdc.gov

Some countries have suspended rona shots. https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/18...it-before-restarting-astrazeneca-vaccinations

Two charts from the VAERS report.
Take what you want but ill pass.

 

[powerlifter405]

OMG, now the efficacy of flu shots has dropped to 20%.

Covid isn't the deadliest virus of all time - not by a long shot. Why can't the solve dementia, cancer, etc.
Maybe because those are little tougher than finding a way to trigger an immune reaction. Furthermore, they have put a dent in cancer... Again it's like you're not thinking about what you say before you say it.

Do you have any actual evidence that doctors are refusing antivirals? Just so we're clear, I mean actual Covid antivirals (ie monoclonal antibodies), not something right wing podcasters say works (ie Ivermectin).

Masks were recommended/mandated to slow the rate of infection not completely prevent it. By slowing the rate of infection, masks prevented (probably) millions of cases.

Exposure is the key a healthy immune system, then why do you oppose vaccines, which are just a controlled way to expose the immune system??? FYI, Gillian Barre syndrome, myocarditis, clotting, etc are caused by the immune system, so exposure is good until it isn't.

OMG, now the efficacy of flu shots has dropped to 20%.

Covid isn't the deadliest virus of all time - not by a long shot. Why can't the solve dementia, cancer, etc.
Maybe because those are little tougher than finding a way to trigger an immune reaction. Furthermore, they have put a dent in cancer... Again it's like you're not thinking about what you say before you say it.

Do you have any actual evidence that doctors are refusing antivirals? Just so we're clear, I mean actual Covid antivirals (ie monoclonal antibodies), not something right wing podcasters say works (ie Ivermectin).

Masks were recommended/mandated to slow the rate of infection not completely prevent it. By slowing the rate of infection, masks prevented (probably) millions of cases.

Exposure is the key a healthy immune system, then why do you oppose vaccines, which are just a controlled way to expose the immune system??? FYI, Gillian Barre syndrome, myocarditis, clotting, etc are caused by the immune system, so exposure is good until it isn't.

Actually around 16%.

Who Should Not Get Flu Shots?

Find out who should not get a flu shot and why the influenza vaccine is not safe for certain people.

www.verywellhealth.com

Whatever
The Joe Tippens protocol is cheap and effective. This was discovered during a cancer study but ita super cheap but dr are trained to give $$ pharmaceuticals. Unless your doctor is open to alternative treatments your stuck with high priced name brand drug scripts.

Hospitals refused to prescribe ivermectin. Threats and lockdowns followed.

Hospitals in Idaho and Montana called police after patients’ family members threatened violence if their loved ones weren’t treated with the antiparasitic drug.

www.nbcnews.com

Ivermectin works, it has been proven to work but many are brainwashed by their diet of CNN and msnbc.

Your last paragraph was full on retarded. Come on, do better than that to debate an idea.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Actually around 16%.

Who Should Not Get Flu Shots?

Find out who should not get a flu shot and why the influenza vaccine is not safe for certain people.

www.verywellhealth.com

Whatever
The Joe Tippens protocol is cheap and effective. This was discovered during a cancer study but ita super cheap but dr are trained to give $$ pharmaceuticals. Unless your doctor is open to alternative treatments your stuck with high priced name brand drug scripts.

Hospitals refused to prescribe ivermectin. Threats and lockdowns followed.

Hospitals in Idaho and Montana called police after patients’ family members threatened violence if their loved ones weren’t treated with the antiparasitic drug.

www.nbcnews.com

Ivermectin works, it has been proven to work but many are brainwashed by their diet of CNN and msnbc.

Your last paragraph was full on retarded. Come on, do better than that to debate an idea.

If Ivermectin works, then there are obviously peer-reviewed studies and extensive testing done under strict standards and protocols that prove it.
A good argument for the efficacy would be to share the results of these tests.

 

[powerlifter405]

Yep they are out there. And more importantly since c19 is supposedly so horrible, the fda shouldn't be blocking off label options for treatment.

Dr should be look at all viable treatment options. My doc uses Hydrochloquen, zinc and prednisone and has a 100% treatment success rate.

You can get BP meds who's off label use is to treat adhd, for example.

There's always going to be people on both sides of the fence, pick your proverbial poison.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Yep they are out there. And more importantly since c19 is supposedly so horrible, the fda shouldn't be blocking off label options for treatment.

Dr should be look at all viable treatment options. My doc uses Hydrochloquen, zinc and prednisone and has a 100% treatment success rate.

You can get BP meds who's off label use is to treat adhd, for example.

There's always going to be people on both sides of the fence, pick your proverbial poison.

You argue much more reasonably than some others on here. Good form is to be able to provide supporting evidence of what you claim unless it's plain common knowledge (like bones having nerves in them).
Can you provide links to your sources?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Actually around 16%.

Who Should Not Get Flu Shots?

Find out who should not get a flu shot and why the influenza vaccine is not safe for certain people.

www.verywellhealth.com

Whatever
The Joe Tippens protocol is cheap and effective. This was discovered during a cancer study but ita super cheap but dr are trained to give $$ pharmaceuticals. Unless your doctor is open to alternative treatments your stuck with high priced name brand drug scripts.

Hospitals refused to prescribe ivermectin. Threats and lockdowns followed.

Hospitals in Idaho and Montana called police after patients’ family members threatened violence if their loved ones weren’t treated with the antiparasitic drug.

www.nbcnews.com

Ivermectin works, it has been proven to work but many are brainwashed by their diet of CNN and msnbc.

Your last paragraph was full on retarded. Come on, do better than that to debate an idea.

Nice Cherry picking. Let pick one of the worse efficacy seasons and pretend that's the norm. Not only that what was the complete sentence from the link you provided...

the CDC reported that the vaccine was only around 16% effective against mild or moderate influenza infections, which is considered not statistically significant.1 Vaccines are typically 40% to 60% effective

Did you just read the headline or did you assume I wouldn't click the link.

Ivermectin doesn't work. The doctor that initially claimed ivermectin worked has recanted due to the problems with his study revealed during peer review. BTW, I thought you were against "big pharma," I guess you're unaware of who holds the patent on ivermectin. Even they say it doesn't work and they stand to make billions if they could get it approved by the FDA for covid treatment.

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of...

www.merck.com

The Joe Tippins protocol - the part "they" conveniently leave out is that in addition to taking dog dewormer, CBD and numerous vitamins/herbs, is the fact that he takes (took) a real cancer medication. Not only that, but guess what "FenBen" the magic cancer cure is also owned by big pharma. So big pharma is actually just sitting on these cures just to be giant A-holes even though it's costing them and their shareholders billions.

You neocons with your conspiracy theories are a riot.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Just 2 of several I've read about over the years. Some were dumb enough to brag about it on Social media

Opinion | A doctor said he won't treat patients who didn't get the Covid vaccine. Can he do that?

Taking vaccination status into account when deciding whether to treat a patient can be acceptable — sometimes.

www.nbcnews.com

Dr. Jason Valentine, a family medicine physician at the Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, Alabama, informed his patients this month that, effective Oct. 1, he would no longer treat those who hadn’t been vaccinated against Covid-19. Around the same time, a leaked memo indicated that the North Texas Mass Critical Care Guideline Task Force was considering whether to take Covid vaccination status into account in deciding who gets ICU beds when more of them are needed than are available.

Just like urgent cares don't have to provide medical aid to you if don't have the right insurance. You want people to have a choice to not get vaxxed or not but don't want to give Doctor's a choice if they want to see the unvaxxed or not. You have an interesting thought process.

 

[powerlifter405]

You argue much more reasonably than some others on here. Good form is to be able to provide supporting evidence of what you claim unless it's plain common knowledge (like bones having nerves in them).
Can you provide links to your sources?

There's more that show positive and others that claim no difference. Like I said some dr refused alternative treatment protocols and the fda struck down off label use. Don't eliminate inexpensive and relatively safe options that show promise.

A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness - PubMed

Ivermectin, a US Food and Drug Administration-approved anti-parasitic agent, was found to inhibit severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) replication in vitro. A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial was conducted to determine the rapidity of viral clearance and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines - PMC

Repurposed medicines may have a role against the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The antiparasitic ivermectin, with antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties, has now been tested in numerous clinical trials. We assessed the efficacy of ivermectin treatment in ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%–91%).

Lower viral load after 72hrs

The effect of early treatment with ivermectin on viral load, symptoms and humoral response in patients with non-severe COVID-19: A pilot, double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trial - PubMed

ISGlobal, Barcelona Institute for Global Health and Clínica Universidad de Navarra.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This one explains what they should have been shooting for 1st off, reduced recovery and reduced mortality.

Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.

Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19 - PMC

After COVID-19 emerged on U.S shores, providers began reviewing the emerging basic science, translational, and clinical data to identify potentially effective treatment options. In addition, a multitude of both novel and repurposed therapeutic ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Sources that are not widely known for promoting lies and misinformation.
Do you buy audio equipment form a store that is known to do re-packs and sell gray-market or second-rate equipment as new, or do you buy it somewhere reputable?

Hey this is exactly the response I knew you would give. Clown.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

My uncle had aids and it didn't change our interactions with him.
Several studies were done and many proved masks don't provide a negligible benefit. Here is some info on one.

Landmark Study Finds Masks Are Ineffective

Lockdowns and mask mandates are social engineering tactics to prepare citizens for the Great Reset. In the eyes of Technocrats, you must obey their pseudo-science. The spread of COVID-19 is blamed on humans who refuse to obey, and therefore all must be further punished.

www.technocracy.news

Probably because that what social media and news outlets were saying.

And most covid deaths were the result of other underlying health factors. Obesity, poor general health etc. View attachment 43342
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I bet 95% of the people on this forum technically have a co-morbidity. The graphs would say I'm obese at 5'11" and 195 pounds. I asked you if you would've worn a mask if HIV was transmissible in the air?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Honey buns are very high in saturated fat. Around 60%-80% of your daily saturated fat in one honey bun. I only eat a couple of them a year. It would be interesting if everybody could be honest and post there height and weight here. We can try. I'm 5'11" tall and 195 lbs.

5'1" 235lbs

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Total deaths fror 2019 and 2020 remained nearly identical yet supposedly millions died directly from the rona.

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Here's the most recent cdc numbers.

FastStats

FastStats is an official application from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and puts access to topic-specific statistics at your fingertips.

www.cdc.gov

Some countries have suspended rona shots. https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/18...it-before-restarting-astrazeneca-vaccinations

Two charts from the VAERS report.
Take what you want but ill pass.View attachment 43347View attachment 43348

Your graph is junk. I'll believe John's Hopkins. It's still over 1%.

 

[powerlifter405]

Nice Cherry picking. Let pick one of the worse efficacy seasons and pretend that's the norm. Not only that what was the complete sentence from the link you provided...

the CDC reported that the vaccine was only around 16% effective against mild or moderate influenza infections, which is considered not statistically significant.1 Vaccines are typically 40% to 60% effective

Did you just read the headline or did you assume I wouldn't click the link.

Ivermectin doesn't work. The doctor that initially claimed ivermectin worked has recanted due to the problems with his study revealed during peer review. BTW, I thought you were against "big pharma," I guess you're unaware of who holds the patent on ivermectin. Even they say it doesn't work and they stand to make billions if they could get it approved by the FDA for covid treatment.

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of...

www.merck.com

The Joe Tippins protocol - the part "they" conveniently leave out is that in addition to taking dog dewormer, CBD and numerous vitamins/herbs, is the fact that he takes (took) a real cancer medication. Not only that, but guess what "FenBen" the magic cancer cure is also owned by big pharma. So big pharma is actually just sitting on these cures just to be giant A-holes even though it's costing them and their shareholders billions.

You neocons with your conspiracy theories are a riot.

Since that 16% shit on your claim you now dismiss it? It was current flu vax efficiency, so tough shit. Can't deny it.

Ivermectin doesn't work? This and other studies say it's a viable option

Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19 - PMC

After COVID-19 emerged on U.S shores, providers began reviewing the emerging basic science, translational, and clinical data to identify potentially effective treatment options. In addition, a multitude of both novel and repurposed therapeutic ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

No one is forcing you to take it. Vent up and die for all I care. It matter not to me, fact is there are known opinions that are cheap and viable, but not everyone wants to spend or can afford thousands for a single course of remdesivir

Coronavirus drug remdesivir to cost $3,120 per patient with private insurance, irking critics

Remdesivir is the first antiviral medication to show effectiveness against the novel coronavirus in human clinical trials.

abcnews.go.com

I never said I was against big pharma. Since you opened your mouth, find where I say such? Please find said statement...

I have said I don't trust them and I've said this who facui funded whuhan lab fiasco is Hella suspicious and the savior rona vax is a money making scheme. It's not the 1st time pharma has run a scam at the expense of people. You be their guinea pig not me. I will hesitantly take tried and true pharmaceuticals only when selectively necessary.

Do you even comprehend how fenben works? The mechanism by which makes it a viable option?
You probably aren't aware of vitC iv as an alternative treatment or an addition to. Hopkins said no but of they fubarred that study. How Hopkins did a poor job on their study only their pad by pharma staff knows.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Hey this is exactly the response I knew you would give. Clown.

A “clown” chooses reputable and trustworthy over lies and misinformation? I guess I’m a clown, then.

You can be the ringmaster and choose stupidity. Congrats?