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[Kayge 10+ year member]

When I look at this list of guns and also the list of guns that was found at his residence it's not the guns themselves that bother me... it's a lot of .223 and .308 stuff. What draws my attention is the number of guns. If I was ATF or DOJ I could see this being on the radar. I would want to know, is this a gun dealer? Is this an instructor? Is there some business reason why there are so many guns, like a hunting camp or safari type situation? If not, I would be keeping THIS person on the radar. Not that I have an issue with how many guns a person owns, that is their right. However, outside of a certain number I would be curious enough to ask questions.

i own over 40 guns which apparently some people think is excessive.

when they ask why i need that many guns. . i simply say "i don't need them, i wanted them"


If a government official knocked on my door and asked me why i had so many guns they would just get a middle finger

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

i own over 40 guns which apparently some people think is excessive.

when they ask why i need that many guns. . i simply say "i don't need them, i wanted them"


If a government official knocked on my door and asked me why i had so many guns they would just get a middle finger

Understandable.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I have two rifles, two handguns and one shotgun. "Home Defense".

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

When I look at this list of guns and also the list of guns that was found at his residence it's not the guns themselves that bother me... it's a lot of .223 and .308 stuff. What draws my attention is the number of guns. If I was ATF or DOJ I could see this being on the radar. I would want to know, is this a gun dealer? Is this an instructor? Is there some business reason why there are so many guns, like a hunting camp or safari type situation? If not, I would be keeping THIS person on the radar. Not that I have an issue with how many guns a person owns, that is their right. However, outside of a certain number I would be curious enough to ask questions.

Slippery slope. What about knife collectors? Baseball bats? Military memorabilia? Shoes?
Yes, I get they are guns, but it's a fine line. Maybe the shoe collector really IS crazy and going to wreak some havoc somewhere, and the shoe collecting showed it.

What happens if they find a common trait in all serial killers that is actually a "normal" thing (you pick)? Do they start keeping an eye on all people who do this "normal" thing"? What if it's certain very specific brainwave activity? Do they make everyone be tested so we can lock up the ones who will likely be serial killers?
Seems Orwellian, but not so outrageous any more.

The vegas shooter had an arsenal, but the Sandy Hook kid had one gun. How many guns does the average mass shooter own? If very few have an arsenal, do we still consider it a "sign" of future problems?
I dunno.

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

here is a crazy case if you all never seen it

I’m Under Investigation For Buying Diesel Parts! - YouTube

Basically, he works on Diesel trucks. He got raided by the ATF because they thought he was buying oil filters to make silencers out of lol

Another fine example of why the ATF needs to be dissolved

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

Slippery slope. What about knife collectors? Baseball bats? Military memorabilia? Shoes?
Yes, I get they are guns, but it's a fine line. Maybe the shoe collector really IS crazy and going to wreak some havoc somewhere, and the shoe collecting showed it.

What happens if they find a common trait in all serial killers that is actually a "normal" thing (you pick)? Do they start keeping an eye on all people who do this "normal" thing"? What if it's certain very specific brainwave activity? Do they make everyone be tested so we can lock up the ones who will likely be serial killers?
Seems Orwellian, but not so outrageous any more.

The vegas shooter had an arsenal, but the Sandy Hook kid had one gun. How many guns does the average mass shooter own? If very few have an arsenal, do we still consider it a "sign" of future problems?
I dunno.

I actually agree with all of this.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

lol @ the bump stock ban

funny that it was such a big win for the anti-gun crowd

I bump fire my AK all the time just using my belt loop and sling haha

I have not tested the theory, but I bet I could pull the trigger just as fast as bump-stock-ing it.
Or close enough to not matter to the target.

All my guns were lost in a boating accident last night.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Slippery slope. What about knife collectors? Baseball bats? Military memorabilia? Shoes?
Yes, I get they are guns, but it's a fine line. Maybe the shoe collector really IS crazy and going to wreak some havoc somewhere, and the shoe collecting showed it.

What happens if they find a common trait in all serial killers that is actually a "normal" thing (you pick)? Do they start keeping an eye on all people who do this "normal" thing"? What if it's certain very specific brainwave activity? Do they make everyone be tested so we can lock up the ones who will likely be serial killers?
Seems Orwellian, but not so outrageous any more.

The vegas shooter had an arsenal, but the Sandy Hook kid had one gun. How many guns does the average mass shooter own? If very few have an arsenal, do we still consider it a "sign" of future problems?
I dunno.

So then it isn't guns that are the problem. It's the people. Why ban so many things to do with guns. It WILL NOT stop a person who is motivated to kill. If so many people understand it is our right to own these guns then why are we letting this government make these laws?

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

So then it isn't guns that are the problem. It's the people. Why ban so many things to do with guns. It WILL NOT stop a person who is motivated to kill. If so many people understand it is our right to own these guns then why are we letting this government make these laws?

most of these laws are forced through the pipe in the form of executive orders and what not. . . then it has to be battled out in the court system

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I

I actually agree with all of this.

know guys who have 5,000+ LPs in their collection. Will never in their lifetime be able to listen to what they have, yet they buy more regularly and will never part with any.
Could indicate mental illness. Do we investigate them?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I

know guys who have 5,000+ LPs in their collection. Will never in their lifetime be able to listen to what they have, yet they buy more regularly and will never part with any.
Could indicate mental illness. Do we investigate them?

Some people are collectors and some people are planners. That is where the profilers come in... if they are actually any good at their jobs.

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

I

know guys who have 5,000+ LPs in their collection. Will never in their lifetime be able to listen to what they have, yet they buy more regularly and will never part with any.
Could indicate mental illness. Do we investigate them?

Unless there is something in their past, a recent incident, or an allegation that leads toward an investigation i don't feel people should be investigated solely on purchasing firearms alone. In fact, I see it as a civil rights violation.

Americans are consumers. We buy and collect all things . . . even if im buying at a rate that is financially irresponsible . . . its not illegal and should not warrant an investigation

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Some people are collectors and some people are planners. That is where the profilers come in... if they are actually any good at their jobs.

Right. But how do we choose who to profile without violating privacy?
What's that movie where they arrest people because a "fortune teller" says they will commit a crime? Slippery slope.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Right. But how do we choose who to profile without violating privacy?
What's that movie where they arrest people because a "fortune teller" says they will commit a crime? Slippery slope.

Well like I stated... after a certain number of guns. Say like 50 guns. The ATF or DOJ could profile that person. They don't need to actually interfere in the persons life to profile them, I am sure the government has all the info on all of use they could ever use. It could possibly cut down on potential mass shootings... don't ya think?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Now you see that at least one of them was trying to detain Rittenhouse? I guess that you still think the skateboarder was really trying to kill Rittenhouse? It's funny how nobody in the crowd was yelling "kill him".

I don't think anybody was trying to detain him. Imho, Gaige was responding to deadly force. I wouldn't be surprised if his true intent was to shoot Kyle and I wouldn't blame him.

Clocking a guy who is already down in the head with skateboard is clearly using deadly force. Furthermore, you are again taking this out of context, so I'll put it back in context for the benefit of others (clearly you don't care about the context and are determined to ignore it).

Kyle had just been struck in the back of the head while running from crowd toward the police. You can clearly see whatever the object was laying on the ground in the video. Looks more like a brick or block of wood than rock, but I digress. About 3 seconds later Kyle trips and falls at which point somebody jumps in the air and stomps his head - lucky for Kyle the guy didn't get a clean stomp. Then he's whacked with skateboard. He had every reason to fear for his life at that point.

Internet tough guys and keyboard commandos are welcome to pretend what was happening was a walk in the park or a peaceful attempt to detain Kyle, but the video tells a different story.