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[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Believe what you want about Rittenhouse trial...but the fact remains there was no new interpretation of any existing law...matter of as far as legal procedure goes it was fairly dull...any perceived precedent you believe was set by that case has been repeatedly reaffirmed for years upon years...self defense is not a new concept no matter how old you are...

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Ohhhh, so it’s suddenly an opinion when the facts indicate it’s wrong.
Got it.
Does that go for your definition and findings that the case cannot be a precedent, or just about there not being enough police presence and involvement due to #defundtgepolice?

You're reaching now because you've been wrong at every turn on this...desperation suits you

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

This is me getting inside that brain of yours. I told you I could do it at will. I have and here you are still doing what I want you to do almost 24 hours later.

You give yourself way too much credit. I’ve told you time and again to leave after your complaints that people here don’t do what you want them to do.
You hate it, yet like an addict you can’t stay away. No self control.
Probably why you hit women.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Did defunding begin in Kenosha before or after the Rittenhouse incident?

I stand corrected. Actually Kenosha's sheriff department increased expenditures by $1m from 2019 - 2020.

Pull up the 2021 budget and it will show the budget for sheriff's office for the years 2019-21. Budget goes from $40m to $41m. Takes a minute to load ~400 page doc.

County Budgets | Kenosha County, WI - Official Website

View information about the various budgets for Kenosha County, both current and past.

www.kenoshacounty.org

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I stand corrected. Actually Kenosha's sheriff department increased expenditures by $1m from 2019 - 2020.

Pull up the 2021 budget and it will show the budget for sheriff's office for the years 2019-21. Budget goes from $40m to $41m. Takes a minute to load ~400 page doc.

County Budgets | Kenosha County, WI - Official Website

View information about the various budgets for Kenosha County, both current and past.

www.kenoshacounty.org

The damage of the defund the police movement wasn't a monetary one though...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Believe what you want about Rittenhouse trial...but the fact remains there was no new interpretation of any existing law...matter of as far as legal procedure goes it was fairly dull...any perceived precedent you believe was set by that case has been repeatedly reaffirmed for years upon years...self defense is not s new concept no matter how old you are...

There doesn’t HAVE to be a new interpretation of an existing law for a case to set a precedent. That’s not a belief, it’s a legal fact.

This case was far more than simple self-defense. If you think it’s nothing more, you are as naive as you claim I am.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

There doesn’t HAVE to be a new interpretation of an existing law for a case to set a precedent. That’s not a belief, it’s a legal fact.

This case was far more than simple self-defense. If you think it’s nothing more, you are as naive as you claim I am.

What's the new precedent then Rob?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Be succinct and to the point...

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Where this new legal standing you're dying on the hill for?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You give yourself way too much credit. I’ve told you time and again to leave after your complaints that people here don’t do what you want them to do.
You hate it, yet like an addict you can’t stay away. No self control.
Probably why you hit women.

Perhaps, Perhaps not. Doesn't change anything does it? You were my puppet. Now I will move on. I free you to go your own path now. Whether you choose to stay on the path I led you down is now up to you. Carry on son.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

They certainly made it seem ok to “stand your ground” even though the law says otherwise. That could affect future cases, defenses, decisions.

It can also affect how they treat people who are walking around with guns while a curfew is in place.

I’m sure you’d agree this case is a pretty big deal(?)

Again, have you watched the videos? Rittenhouse never stood his ground. You can't "retreat" more than Rittenhouse did. He retreated the moment he realized another gun was present. He attempted to run from Rosenbaum. He was running toward a police line when he was attacked by 5 protesters. Had the protesters who chose to violently attack Rittenhouse just waited another 30 seconds until they got to the police line, they could have all told the police that Rittenhouse just shot somebody. Instead they took it upon themselves to be judge & jury and if Rittenhouse hadn't shot them, I suspect they would have been his executioner as well.

The only people who Rittenhouse shot were Rosenbaum, who threated to kill him if caught him alone and then charged Rittenhouse when he did catch him alone. Huber, who hit Rittenhouse in the head with a deadly weapon (aka skateboard). Grosskreutz, who actually pointed a handgun at Rittenhouse.

The only precedent this sets is if you're attacked from behind while running away (aka retreating), then you can defend yourself.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

What's the new precedent then Rob?

You are hung up on this whole idea of "new". Nothing "new" has to happen for case or decision to be used as a precedent in future cases.
It simply means precedent "requires courts to apply the law in the same manner to cases with the same facts."

But since you seem to want "new", how many previous cases have there been of a 17 y.o. traveling out of his home state, uninvited, to a neighboring state in order to play cop during a riot, and shooting and killing two unarmed men, and shooting an maiming an armed man?
Seems to be a rather unique situation to me.

Do you know of any very similar ones?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

You are hung up on this whole idea of "new". Nothing "new" has to happen for case or decision to be used as a precedent in future cases.
It simply means precedent "requires courts to apply the law in the same manner to cases with the same facts."

But since you seem to want "new", how many previous cases have there been of a 17 y.o. traveling out of his home state, uninvited, to a neighboring state in order to play cop during a riot, and shooting and killing two unarmed men, and shooting an maiming an armed man?
Seems to be a rather unique situation to me.

Do you know of any very similar ones?

Well he has the right to interstate travel...he doesn't need to be invited to go to another state.

"Playing cop during a riot" is hyperbole...

Those "unarmed" men...the first one repeatedly threaten to kill him then chased him til Rittenhouse couldn't retreat reasonable anymore...hit him with a skateboard in the head (at which point the skateboard is considered a weapon by law)...the third one pulled a weapon...

Unique or not...there's no new legal precedent there...

Now where is this new precedent (ie legal understanding) at?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You are hung up on this whole idea of "new". Nothing "new" has to happen for case or decision to be used as a precedent in future cases.
It simply means precedent "requires courts to apply the law in the same manner to cases with the same facts."

But since you seem to want "new", how many previous cases have there been of a 17 y.o. traveling out of his home state, uninvited, to a neighboring state in order to play cop during a riot, and shooting and killing two unarmed men, and shooting an maiming an armed man?
Seems to be a rather unique situation to me.

Do you know of any very similar ones?

Interesting. Not sure why you used the word "Uninvited". This is America. We are free to travel as we please. No invites needed. He wasn't "playing cop" as he wasn't there to arrest anyone. Shooting and maiming an "unarmed man" was the pun intended? That fool had a pistol.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Well he has the right to interstate travel...he doesn't need to be invited to go to another state.

"Playing cop during a riot" is hyperbole...

Those "unarmed" men...the first one repeatedly threaten to kill him then chased him til Rittenhouse couldn't retreat reasonable anymore...hit him with a skateboard in the head (at which point the skateboard is considered a weapon by law)...the third one pulled a weapon...

Unique or not...there's no new legal precedent there...

Now where is this new precedent (ie legal understanding) at?

Beat me to it lol