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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Really, because you actually think it didn't happen or something? Not moment... moments. He offered to send the national guard to several democratically governed states and they said no, we don't want Trumps help. Talking to you is like talking to people with selective hearing.

Trump said this to Democratic Governors - "“If people are running amok, you have to dominate," President Donald Trump said on a call with Democratic governors. "They're going to run over you. You're going to look like a bunch of jerks."

Oh, and this - "At least three states — New York, Virginia and Delaware — have so far rejected the request, with at least one governor citing Trump’s rhetoric about using troops to “dominate” protesters as a reason why. All of those states are led by Democrats. Meanwhile, several other states around the country are sending troops to Washington with more expected in coming days. "

You all called them George Floyd "protestors" though burning buildings, raping people, beating people, looting stores and murdering people is not what sane people call protesting... we call them criminal acts. When Democrat Governors were allowing these atrocities to go on, Trump saw that they weren't doing anything to stop it. He offered to send troops in. These lil biitches said no. Later on they would blame Trump for the destruction and would also ask the current presidential administration for funds to fix their cities. Could have handled the situation when Trump offered the help now we "Americans" get to pay for all that bullshit.

Do me a favor, stfu and stop acting like none of this happened or this is the first you are hearing of it.

Much like the events of Jan 6th, all of the stuff you are claiming never actually happened. GOP propaganda unless you can prove it to me.

Sound familiar?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Much like the events of Jan 6th, all of the stuff you are claiming never actually happened. GOP propaganda unless you can prove it to me.

Sound familiar?

Hey, I am not blind to events that happen. You have selective vision, hearing and or other that put everyone that is not your political affiliation as the at fault parties.

That's the thing... you want everyone to prove things to you. This is not a possible task as you already think you are right and everyone else is wrong. This leaves you with only one continuing response... argue, argue, argue. It's tiring. Go fold some shirts.

 

[2RZ-FE 10+ year member]

The dump I just took looked like Kamala

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

The dump I just took looked like Kamala

The real question is did it taste like her? Don't be shy. Tell us all about it

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Hey, I am not blind to events that happen. You have selective vision, hearing and or other that put everyone that is not your political affiliation as the at fault parties.

That's the thing... you want everyone to prove things to you. This is not a possible task as you already think you are right and everyone else is wrong. This leaves you with only one continuing response... argue, argue, argue. It's tiring. Go fold some shirts.

No, you stated outright that the events of Jan 6th did not happen, even after pictures and full video were presented to you. I may be wrong, but I think you said you did not witness it so it was not real. You also talked about just ONE Trumptard being in the building is a non-event. The epitome of "selective vision, hearing and or other". Your ongoing insistence that you are right in the whole "monoleaf springs" discussion is perfect evidence of that.

Unlike you, I do not consider what I think as "proof". If I think grass is purple and you prove me wrong with photos and a scientific explanation, then I have to change my thinking. You, on the other hand, completely ignore proof that you are wrong and continue to insist you are right. You will argue, argue, argue that you are right, without ever making an effort to prove it. But will later claim that you "proved it already".

Do you see the difference?
Go drink water. It's better for you than your aged vodka.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The dump I just took looked like Kamala

Does it prosecute and convict *** offenders? Put it to work!

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

No, you stated outright that the events of Jan 6th did not happen, even after pictures and full video were presented to you. I may be wrong, but I think you said you did not witness it so it was not real. You also talked about just ONE Trumptard being in the building is a non-event. The epitome of "selective vision, hearing and or other". Your ongoing insistence that you are right in the whole "monoleaf springs" discussion is perfect evidence of that.

Unlike you, I do not consider what I think as "proof". If I think grass is purple and you prove me wrong with photos and a scientific explanation, then I have to change my thinking. You, on the other hand, completely ignore proof that you are wrong and continue to insist you are right. You will argue, argue, argue that you are right, without ever making an effort to prove it. But will later claim that you "proved it already".

Do you see the difference?
Go drink water. It's better for you than your aged vodka.

Listen, fella. I am not even close to wrong on the mono-leaf spring argument. When I reference mono-leaf spring or springs I am being 100% liberal and factual. I am not saying you are wrong nor am I saying Slo is wrong because the way you two are referencing them is acceptable as well. However, so is the way I reference them, literally.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

No, you stated outright that the events of Jan 6th did not happen, even after pictures and full video were presented to you. I may be wrong, but I think you said you did not witness it so it was not real. You also talked about just ONE Trumptard being in the building is a non-event. The epitome of "selective vision, hearing and or other". Your ongoing insistence that you are right in the whole "monoleaf springs" discussion is perfect evidence of that.

Unlike you, I do not consider what I think as "proof". If I think grass is purple and you prove me wrong with photos and a scientific explanation, then I have to change my thinking. You, on the other hand, completely ignore proof that you are wrong and continue to insist you are right. You will argue, argue, argue that you are right, without ever making an effort to prove it. But will later claim that you "proved it already".

Do you see the difference?
Go drink water. It's better for you than your aged vodka.

You say Jan 6th was an insurrection. I say 100% it is not. In fact NOBODY currently in custody for Jan 6th has been charged with such.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You say Jan 6th was an insurrection. I say 100% it is not. In fact NOBODY currently in custody for Jan 6th has been charged with such.

You claimed Jan 6th never happened. "Prove that just ONE person from the rally was also at the Capitol" was your request. When I proved it, you sidestepped and said that I had only proved one person was there and I was making a mountain from a molehill. Then over time, 674 people were arrested, and are being prosecuted and convicted. And jailed.
For an even that you think never happened.

People don't have to be charged or convicted with murder for a murder to occur.
You complained nobody was charged or convicted for the riots. Following your logic, that means they were not riots, yes?
Except they WERE.
OJ was acquitted of murder, but a civil court found him liable for wrongful death. Since he was acquitted, no murders occurred, right?
Wrong.

Trump's own attorney said there was no question that what happened on Jan 6th was an insurrection.
"Michael van der Veen, stated: “The question before us is not whether there was a violent insurrection of the Capitol. On that point, everyone agrees.” And by the strict definition of insurrection, all points were met on that day.

Lack of convicting the participants of an illegal act doesn't make the event simply "go away" as you seem to think.

 

[SlugButter]

You claimed Jan 6th never happened. "Prove that just ONE person from the rally was also at the Capitol" was your request. When I proved it, you sidestepped and said that I had only proved one person was there and I was making a mountain from a molehill. Then over time, 674 people were arrested, and are being prosecuted and convicted. And jailed.
For an even that you think never happened.

People don't have to be charged or convicted with murder for a murder to occur.
You complained nobody was charged or convicted for the riots. Following your logic, that means they were not riots, yes?
Except they WERE.
OJ was acquitted of murder, but a civil court found him liable for wrongful death. Since he was acquitted, no murders occurred, right?
Wrong.

Trump's own attorney said there was no question that what happened on Jan 6th was an insurrection.
"Michael van der Veen, stated: “The question before us is not whether there was a violent insurrection of the Capitol. On that point, everyone agrees.” And by the strict definition of insurrection, all points were met on that day.

Lack of convicting the participants of an illegal act doesn't make the event simply "go away" as you seem to think.

There is a difference between people protesting vote integrity then getting carried away and acting stupid and transitioning into a riot, and an insurrection. I understand there is no evidence for mass voter fraud, but I was a part of protests many years ago for the same reason, it just didn’t turn into an ugly riot. I think this was an angry protest that turned ugly, as opposed to a planned insurrection that was an actual threat to take over the government. That requires a lot more fire power than what was there on Jan. 6th. Shutting down the right to protest voter fraud is a dangerous precedent that may give a Republican the right to shut down my right to protest voter suppression in the future. You’re a lawyer, you must understand that. This is absolutely a dangerous area we are moving into. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Hate towards republicans isn’t enough for me to give away my freedoms out of a petty spite.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

There is a difference between people protesting vote integrity then getting carried away and acting stupid and transitioning into a riot, and an insurrection. I understand there is no evidence for mass voter fraud, but I was a part of protests many years ago for the same reason, it just didn’t turn into an ugly riot. I think this was an angry protest that turned ugly, as opposed to a planned insurrection that was an actual threat to take over the government. That requires a lot more fire power than what was there on Jan. 6th. Shutting down the right to protest voter fraud is a dangerous precedent that may give a Republican the right to shut down my right to protest voter suppression in the future. You’re a lawyer, you must understand that. This is absolutely a dangerous area we are moving into. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Hate towards republicans isn’t enough for me to give away my freedoms out of a petty spite.

Yes, but as I said - when talking directly to the facts and the very definition of insurrection, all points were met.
an organized attempt - people planned this in advance, they proved it
by a group of people - 600+ were found and arrested. Definitely a group. In fact, to take the "group" idea a step further, over a dozen extremists groups are known to have participated.
to defeat their government - an attempt to prevent the election process from being completed and a new leader put in place is an attempt to defeat the government.
and take control of their country - take control by preventing the democratic process from happening, and keep a POTUS in place who was rightly voted out
,usually by violence - plenty of evidence of violence, and plans for violent acts (reference the people who were caught with weapons, and the fact that people were severely injured and people who died)

A very small group of people took down the Twin Towers. Do we deny the power a small group can have in making change?
If a ten-man crew had gotten into the Capitol and pulled off an event of 9/11 proportions that DID stop the vote, would we say "not an insurrection" because it was "just a small group"? My educated guess is no.

We are definitely in a dangerous age. When conjecture and lies are lauded as "truth" and people are willing to die or sacrifice others to push forth and defend the conjecture and lies, it's a huge problem, no matter what political party they follow.

Living is society basically requires that we sacrifice various freedoms at any given point in time. it's how society operates successfully. And living in society is a privilege, not a right. Much like driving, living in a gated community with a housing committee, or even being on this forum.
No one is forced to live in society; they do it by choice. And that comes with rules and sacrifices. Anyone who doesn't liek the rules and sacrifices is free to leave, right?

 

[SlugButter]

Yes, but as I said - when talking directly to the facts and the very definition of insurrection, all points were met.
an organized attempt - people planned this in advance, they proved it
by a group of people - 600+ were found and arrested. Definitely a group. In fact, to take the "group" idea a step further, over a dozen extremists groups are known to have participated.
to defeat their government - an attempt to prevent the election process from being completed and a new leader put in place is an attempt to defeat the government.
and take control of their country - take control by preventing the democratic process from happening, and keep a POTUS in place who was rightly voted out
,usually by violence - plenty of evidence of violence, and plans for violent acts (reference the people who were caught with weapons, and the fact that people were severely injured and people who died)

A very small group of people took down the Twin Towers. Do we deny the power a small group can have in making change?
If a ten-man crew had gotten into the Capitol and pulled off an event of 9/11 proportions that DID stop the vote, would we say "not an insurrection" because it was "just a small group"? My educated guess is no.

We are definitely in a dangerous age. When conjecture and lies are lauded as "truth" and people are willing to die or sacrifice others to push forth and defend the conjecture and lies, it's a huge problem, no matter what political party they follow.

Living is society basically requires that we sacrifice various freedoms at any given point in time. it's how society operates successfully. And living in society is a privilege, not a right. Much like driving, living in a gated community with a housing committee, or even being on this forum.
No one is forced to live in society; they do it by choice. And that comes with rules and sacrifices. Anyone who doesn't liek the rules and sacrifices is free to leave, right?

You’re like a dangerous annoying helicopter nanny. Congrats douche nozzle, You’ve learned how to use the dictionary as a political weapon without any attempt at actual intellect. Republicans could justify shutting down BLM protests because of attacks on federal courthouses based on those criteria. And people are forced to live in a society depending on where they’re born. That’s why we have fvcking immigrants who almost die to get here…….because they were forced into a society they didn’t want to be in. By the definition of your logic simply being born is a privilege with disclaimers. Your intellect dies at the end of your own nose.

 

[SlugButter]

I’ve never spoken to a thesaurus with a small dictionary before Rob. I thought I was being assaulted by the inventor of scrabble there for a second.

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

You say Jan 6th was an insurrection. I say 100% it is not. In fact NOBODY currently in custody for Jan 6th has been charged with such.

It was an insurrection bro. Everyone knows that. Even you. Even Fox News and the sane Republicans in D.C. have acknowledged it was an insurrection. You're argument that people haven't been charged with "insurrection" is invalid. I'll give you awhile to figure out why and if you still need my help with it just let me know. Educating people is why I am here. My services are free and I am glad to help.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You claimed Jan 6th never happened. "Prove that just ONE person from the rally was also at the Capitol" was your request. When I proved it, you sidestepped and said that I had only proved one person was there and I was making a mountain from a molehill. Then over time, 674 people were arrested, and are being prosecuted and convicted. And jailed.
For an even that you think never happened.

People don't have to be charged or convicted with murder for a murder to occur.
You complained nobody was charged or convicted for the riots. Following your logic, that means they were not riots, yes?
Except they WERE.
OJ was acquitted of murder, but a civil court found him liable for wrongful death. Since he was acquitted, no murders occurred, right?
Wrong.

Trump's own attorney said there was no question that what happened on Jan 6th was an insurrection.
"Michael van der Veen, stated: “The question before us is not whether there was a violent insurrection of the Capitol. On that point, everyone agrees.” And by the strict definition of insurrection, all points were met on that day.

Lack of convicting the participants of an illegal act doesn't make the event simply "go away" as you seem to think.

You didn't prove it. Photo's can be manipulated.