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[ThxOne Premium Member]

I think you keep telling us you are in over your head after doing all you can to defend him, and finding out you can’t.

I don't defend him. I make statements and voice my opinion. I don't need to defend a grown man I have no ties with.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You must have totally skipped half of what I said. How much money do other countries owe us? Just simply stating a debt number is useless without knowing how much is owed back. I’m not understanding why that’s confusing. Just knowing the debt number doesn’t matter, and is a useless indicator by itself.

We owe “them” 6T and they owe us 9T.

But here’s the rub: do you think that our international receivables always go up when the Republicans increase our Local debt? And then go down when the Democrats increase the debt by less than Republicans?

That’s not how it works.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I don't defend him. I make statements and voice my opinion. I don't need to defend a grown man I have no ties with.

When you repeat false information and the only effect of repeating the false info paints Trump in a better light, you are defending him.

I know math ain’t your strong smoot, but if a=b and b=c, then a=c.
You’ll probably argue that fact, but it’s undeniably true. Even if you think mathematicians are fallible humans and got it wrong.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Saying that I paid less for day to day items and gas under Trump is defending him huh? Ok there fella.

I am still trying to figure out how you are the person in charge of determining what is fact and what is not. Is it just as simple as "if you don't vote for me then you ain't black" kind of thing like if we aren't democrats then we are not capable of voicing facts? Please, tell me how you know what all the facts are.

 

[SlugButter]

We owe “them” 6T and they owe us 9T.

But here’s the rub: do you think that our international receivables always go up when the Republicans increase our Local debt? And then go down when the Democrats increase the debt by less than Republicans?

That’s not how it works.

I don’t think that republicans are better. I’m saying that we don’t technically know. Those numbers I posted earlier were GDP compared to our national debt, not our receivables. We’d have to know what each country owes us as their debt, which would fluctuate with inflation of the money supply factored in, which changes all the time for every country, which changes the exchange rate, etc, etc. The way we argue about this is far too simple. The game is chess, not checkers.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Saying that I paid less for day to day items and gas under Trump is defending him huh? Ok there fella.

I am still trying to figure out how you are the person in charge of determining what is fact and what is not. Is it just as simple as "if you don't vote for me then you ain't black" kind of thing like if we aren't democrats then we are not capable of voicing facts? Please, tell me how you know what all the facts are.

Yes it is, because it is untrue.
No different than the dopes who claim gas was $1.48 under Bush.

You are using the stat of inflation to specifically say Biden made prices higher, and thus he is failing.
1. POTUS doesn’t control inflation.
2. Inflation occurred pretty much every year in economic history. If it means the POTUS is failing, then every single one has failed.

Learn your battles before you pick one.

 

[Firewalker]

I've posted before how the oil industry actually works multiple times as my dad built the last one that was built in this country in Elwood, IL back in '76 and retired from Mobil oil after 25 years. Along with the family I have that own oil wells (rich bastard,lol) along with friends still working at said refinery. People still have it in their heads that it is the EPA stopping the oil industry from building new oil refineries and that is no where near the truth. Oil companies are NOT going to build new refineries because that means the ability to produce more gasoline and they are not going to do that.

Oil refineries can work SAFELY at 90-92% right now most are only working 50-60% if that depending on which one it is. If the oil refineries were even working at say 70-75% you would see a drop in gas prices within 1-2 months. Also any of the gas you put in your gas tank today was made 3-5 months ago roughly. Right now Refineries are preparing or are already on Turn Around to switch over to the Winter Blends that we use across the country.

Tankers from overseas are sitting in ports for 3-6 months before being off-loaded of their crude oil. For every barrel of oil you get 42 gallons of gasoline not to mention the tons of by-products as well. One product is a black substance called "Coke" from the Coker unit. Mobil Oil in Elwood is one of the very few places that produces it daily in mass quantities. 20 years ago one barge was worth 10-14 million dollars, every day Mobil is loading anywhere from 3-6 barges full of this stuff and shipping it out.

There is a ton of supply of oil right now but that is SOON GOING TO CHANGE! Barrels of oil are selling as of today at around 71 dollars compared to 40 dollars last December. That is for a number of reasons. OPEC is going to be cutting back almost 5.8 million barrels of oil a day by Sept 2022. The market reacted immediately over that news coming out. Expect gas prices to be near 4 dollars next year. A President has NOTHING to do with Gas or Oil Barrel pricing none what-so-ever!

What does effect is well duh supply and demand. They want to get those prices back up to 4 dollars a gallon nationwide. Hence why you are seeing all this cutting back by OPEC and other countries. Yet we are still shipping out more then we take in. It is time for that oil to STAY HERE. But it will NOT happen as that means more supply, cheaper gas prices and less profit all around for the oil companies.

Also Oil Companies report one number to the public and a whole different number to their employees, trust me we still get those letters every 3 months from Mobil Oil since dad retired from there as a Lead Machinist.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Yes it is, because it is untrue.
No different than the dopes who claim gas was $1.48 under Bush.

You are using the stat of inflation to specifically say Biden made prices higher, and thus he is failing.
1. POTUS doesn’t control inflation.
2. Inflation occurred pretty much every year in economic history. If it means the POTUS is failing, then every single one has failed.

Learn your battles before you pick one.

It's pretty simple. While delivering pizza while Trump was president I paid less than $2.00 a gallon for gas in southeast Ga, sometimes well under $2.00. I bought gas every 1 to 3 days. While delivering pizza under Biden I regularly paid near $3.00 a gallon in southeast Ga. The only reason gas prices got higher with Trump in office is because COVID hit and that was not under the control of Trump. My boss and owner of the last pizza place I worked at had to compensate us for the rising cost of gas under Biden and had to raise the price per delivery to the customer.

So you can sit there and call me a liar all you want. The price of gas had a direct impact on my day to day take home profit. By the way, good job explaining how you know all the facts.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Saying that I paid less for day to day items and gas under Trump is defending him huh? Ok there fella.

I am still trying to figure out how you are the person in charge of determining what is fact and what is not. Is it just as simple as "if you don't vote for me then you ain't black" kind of thing like if we aren't democrats then we are not capable of voicing facts? Please, tell me how you know what all the facts are.

In the context of discussing the current economy in contrast to the economy under Trump, yes.

Stop acting like you don’t know what you are saying in your posts. And if you DON’T know, then just stop posting. You’re obviously too dumb to be speaking publicly.

I don’t determine fact, but I sure can reference it. I practice due diligence and critical thinking.

Go on living by your feelings, beliefs and opinions, accepting any nonsense you hear simply because it fits the narrative you want.
Don’t cry when people call you an idiot.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It's pretty simple. While delivering pizza while Trump was president I paid less than $2.00 a gallon for gas in southeast Ga, sometimes well under $2.00. I bought gas every 1 to 3 days. While delivering pizza under Biden I regularly paid near $3.00 a gallon in southeast Ga. The only reason gas prices got higher with Trump in office is because COVID hit and that was not under the control of Trump. My boss and owner of the last pizza place I worked at had to compensate us for the rising cost of gas under Biden and had to raise the price per delivery to the customer.

So you can sit there and call me a liar all you want. The price of gas had a direct impact on my day to day take home profit. By the way, good job explaining how you know all the facts.

You have a pretty selective memory there. Between 2016 and 2020, there were only a few months where average gas prices dipped under $2.00 in any given month.
Maybe those were the only months you happened to be transporting pies during his presidency?
Look at the chart below.
Explain your gas expense claim with respect to the facts.

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

That's because he has either dementia or alzheimer's

Trump's own people said the same thing about him.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Trump's own people said the same thing about him.

Cool story. Trump isn't President.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

And Trump didn't have a brain aneurysm in 1988 like Biden did, where the docs had to remove his skull cap to fix it.

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

Cool story. Trump isn't President.

I know. He got his *** absolutely handed to him in the last election. It was glorious. The loser is still crying about it too.

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

And Trump didn't have a brain aneurysm in 1988 like Biden did, where the docs had to remove his skull cap to fix it.

I think he had two, but what's your point? You just saying random shit that everybody already knows?