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[Firewalker]

Yes, while Wisconsin has an open carry law, it is against the law for anyone under 18 to brandish one in public, if I understand the laws there correctly. That isn't exactly relevant to murder charges though. No matter what, he isn't walking away from this with clean hands.

Possession of a dangerous weapon by anyone under 18 is a class A misdemeanor. Giving/loaning/selling a dangerous weapon to someone under 18 is a class I felony.

WI statute 948.60[37]

Defenses to prosecution under this statute:

• Target practice under the supervision of an adult
• Members of armed forces or police under 18 in the line of duty
• Hunting (either with an adult or having passed hunter's safety)
• The minor was 16 years of age or older and possessed or carried either a rifle with a barrel length of 16 inches or longer, or a shotgun with a barrel length of 18 inches or longer.[38][39]

Exactly Audioholic. The person who "loaned" him the weapon will be charged sooner or later. They've done it here many times in the past when someone has "loaned" a weapon and that person then committed a crime. He had no business being here at 17 in public with an loaded AR that was owned by someone else. The moron who loaned him the weapon should be charged with said Class I Felony.

Also it is being reported all over the state including Fox News that his age made it Illegal for him to have Open Carry in Wisconsin.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So the CDC said when the "COVID-19" death numbers were approximately 165,000+ that people who died just from the virus itself was 6%.... Six Percent!!! That is literally just shy of 10,000 people nation wide. So our country is basically at a stand still and we are wearing mask over 6%. The Flu kills FAR MORE people. Something ain't stirring the Kool-Aid.

 

[Lasherž]

So the CDC said when the "COVID-19" death numbers were approximately 165,000+ that people who died just from the virus itself was 6%.... Six Percent!!! That is literally just shy of 10,000 people nation wide. So our country is basically at a stand still and we are wearing mask over 6%. The Flu kills FAR MORE people. Something ain't stirring the Kool-Aid.

Uh, I think you did your math wrong there bud. 6% of 350mil is 21 million, they're saying the 182k dead are representative of 3 million people having it, not 350 mil.

It appears that you just double divided the people dead from it.. 165k (wrong number, it's 182k) x .06 = 9.9k? The current cases are closer to 3 million, of which 182k have died.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Uh, I think you did your math wrong there bud. 6% of 350mil is 21 million, they're saying the 182k dead are representative of 3 million people having it, not 350 mil.

It appears that you just double divided the people dead from it.. 165k (wrong number, it's 182k) x .06 = 9.9k? The current cases are closer to 3 million, of which 182k have died.

The CDC said that in America, the number of dead from Covid was 165,000 people. Dead, not infected. Of those dead only 6% died from Covid alone. The other 94% had preexisting conditions. 6% of 165,000 is 9,900 people. These numbers are when the CDC reported it. Today, if we go by the same 6%, the number of dead from Covid only is 11,100 people.

 

[Lasherž]

The CDC said that in America, the number of dead from Covid was 165,000 people. Dead, not infected. Of those dead only 6% died from Covid alone. The other 94% had preexisting conditions. 6% of 165,000 is 9,900 people. These numbers are when the CDC reported it. Today, if we go by the same 6%, the number of dead from Covid only is 11,100 people.

You have to realize how stupid it is to disregard people with preexisting conditions. The rate of people with preexisting conditions bad enough to deny coverage in the US is 43% and those are not all inclusive of the conditions that coronavirus is more likely to kill you based on including age and other temporary sicknesses that can compound covid-19. It's no secret that healthy people are at very low risk, close to .4%, however people with preexisting conditions make up a large portion of our country and workforce, not to mention that people with preexisting conditions are concentrated in certain areas in the south, so the devastation to the local economies will be massive. The reason why Sweden made this wager is because their country is largely young and healthy (due in no small part to their universal healthcare system which allows free preventative care). They also did it before research showed that reinfection from the same strand is definitely possible. Healthy people are wearing masks for the same reason we get flu shots. Unhealthy people are wearing it for the modicum of protection it gives them from people who don't care about them.

The flu doesn't kill more than 165k in a year, ever. Not even close, and the year isn't even over. The coronavirus is projected to be the number 3 killer in America this year if the cases remain constant the way they are. If it goes exponential the way it did in Israel and keeps going it will be the number 1 killer. A note to add to that: Their numbers went exponential when they reopened schools. We're at a worse spot than them and are now reopening schools. Every university that has done so has had to drastically change procedures or shutdown/lockdown in 2 weeks.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You have to realize how stupid it is to disregard people with preexisting conditions. The rate of people with preexisting conditions bad enough to deny coverage in the US is 43% and those are not all inclusive of the conditions that coronavirus is more likely to kill you based on including age and other temporary sicknesses that can compound covid-19. It's no secret that healthy people are at very low risk, close to .4%, however people with preexisting conditions make up a large portion of our country and workforce, not to mention that people with preexisting conditions are concentrated in certain areas in the south, so the devastation to the local economies will be massive. The reason why Sweden made this wager is because their country is largely young and healthy (due in no small part to their universal healthcare system which allows free preventative care). They also did it before research showed that reinfection from the same strand is definitely possible. Healthy people are wearing masks for the same reason we get flu shots. Unhealthy people are wearing it for the modicum of protection it gives them from people who don't care about them.

The flu doesn't kill more than 165k in a year, ever. Not even close, and the year isn't even over. The coronavirus is projected to be the number 3 killer in America this year if the cases remain constant the way they are. If it goes exponential the way it did in Israel and keeps going it will be the number 1 killer. A note to add to that: Their numbers went exponential when they reopened schools. We're at a worse spot than them and are now reopening schools. Every university that has done so has had to drastically change procedures or shutdown/lockdown in 2 weeks.

Again... I am speaking about who has died from JUST COVID with NO underlying issues. The CDC estimated 24,000 - 62,000 deaths from the flu from 2019 - April 2020. That is a lot more than 9,900. The chances that these "165,000" died from Corona is less likely. It is more likely that they died from underlying health issues and couldn't handle the addition of this virus in them.

In 2017 2.8Mil people died in the U.S. The Flu and Pneumonia handled a little over 55K of those deaths. Cancer is coming in at #2 with almost 600K and Good old heart disease at well over 600K. My point is that COVID may just be incidental to these "COVID" deaths.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I want to set the stage here by expressing this example.

When a person does things over and over it becomes normal and expected. When this same person is part of a group and does the same things over and over it becomes normal and expected. If this group now joins in and does the same things over and over it becomes normal and expected. If this group is joined by other groups and does the same things over and over it becomes normal and expected. All of this happens over many decades. Simple enough right?

Now let's give these "things" content. Things will now be called (Crimes).

Over time people see these groups of people committing specific crimes over and over. By doing these crimes over and over for long periods of time they have now made themselves known for these actions. It is now normal and expected for these specific groups of people to commit these crimes. Other groups of people who do not want to be around these crimes and want to feel safe in their lives choose to not live in these areas where these groups of people continue to be criminals. Simple enough right? I don't want to live next to people who are constantly doing drugs, robbing people or shooting people.

This image that these groups of people have given themselves is nobody's fault but their own. It is an association of actions and it is their choice. Anyone can see it happen. Sometimes other groups of people have to live in or near these criminal groups but still want to be safe. Enter law enforcement. Law enforcement also knows of these normal and expected crimes and what groups of people tend to be the perpetrators. Guess what, if you want to lower crime you go after those known to commit the crimes. You put police in the areas where they can be the best help in lowering crime. Now these groups don't like that, they want to be able to get away with their crimes and not do time. Sometimes these groups of criminals respond to police with violence. It happens enough that it has become normal and expected.

If "systemic racism" is a problem then my suggestion is for these groups of people to change their lives, teach their kids to be decent people. Teach them not to be part of the group that commits the crimes over and over that earns them the reputation and image that everyone can identify them with. Stop blaming the law enforcement community for systemic racism that was born from your continuing actions. As long as these specific groups of people continue to be lawless then systemic racism can't go away.

 

[Clifff150 10+ year member]

The thing that I’m fed up with is that our country is so unhealthy it’s ridiculous. How many fat ***** do we have walking around because they keep eating McDonald’s every day and consuming sugar like it’s fuckingg cocaine. The numbers don’t scare me at all because our country eats like shit and doesn’t work out. I’m not saying you have to buy organic and only drink water but quit overeating every meal and stuffing shit in your mouth. That is the real issue in our country but somehow it’s Trumps fault (I’m not a trump supporter but also far from a liberal) that the virus is killing everyone. I have a newborn and sure we take precautions but we don’t stop our lives because we have bills to pay and other people to support.

 

[Lasherž]

Again... I am speaking about who has died from JUST COVID with NO underlying issues. The CDC estimated 24,000 - 62,000 deaths from the flu from 2019 - April 2020. That is a lot more than 9,900. The chances that these "165,000" died from Corona is less likely. It is more likely that they died from underlying health issues and couldn't handle the addition of this virus in them.

In 2017 2.8Mil people died in the U.S. The Flu and Pneumonia handled a little over 55K of those deaths. Cancer is coming in at #2 with almost 600K and Good old heart disease at well over 600K. My point is that COVID may just be incidental to these "COVID" deaths.

That may be a good argument if more than 1% of the US has had covid. The death toll of heart disease isn't lower this year. The thing about these stats is that people seem to be upset that every cause is included in someone's death. That's how it's always been done and part of why heart disease is so high up there in the death rate. It's compounded by

• Diabetes
• Overweight and obesity
• Unhealthy diet
• Physical inactivity
• Excessive alcohol use

If you want to say that these things exonerate the covid-19 numbers from being so high then it's just not comparing apples to apples at that point. It's not unique to any important health stats that we include people with pre-existing conditions. All of the contributory problems result in the death, so they all officially share the blame. The bottom line is that 43%+ people in the US are vulnerable to covid-19. You saying we're protecting ourselves from 6% of 6% is ignorant of the reason we wear masks, in actuality we're wearing them to protect 100% of the 6%, particularly the 94% that's high risk (~22,000,000).

There are going to be examples of heart disease, but if it's together with symptomatic lung issues then it's dishonest to say covid-19 doesn't play a part. I've known 3 people now who have had it and the 2 symptomatic people have said breathing is a constant struggle. They're all in the 20's and fairly healthy.

If your argument is to let all of the unhealthy people die you run into wealth divides very quickly. Respirators give people a chance to recover, not all hospitals have enough of them and that's primarily in poor areas. The argument quickly becomes "let the poor unhealthy or old people die, everyone else will be fine." I don't think that's very American of us, nor something for anyone to be okay with.

 

[Lasherž]

The thing that I’m fed up with is that our country is so unhealthy it’s ridiculous. How many fat ***** do we have walking around because they keep eating McDonald’s every day and consuming sugar like it’s fuckingg cocaine. The numbers don’t scare me at all because our country eats like shit and doesn’t work out. I’m not saying you have to buy organic and only drink water but quit overeating every meal and stuffing shit in your mouth. That is the real issue in our country but somehow it’s Trumps fault (I’m not a trump supporter but also far from a liberal) that the virus is killing everyone. I have a newborn and sure we take precautions but we don’t stop our lives because we have bills to pay and other people to support.

Well Trump's a large part of the reason it's spreading so quickly, he's not responsible for the percentage of people who have it who die apart from runs on hospitals resulting in deaths, but if he controls the national effort to combat the amount of people that have it then I don't think it's smart to redact blame on him. It's undoubtedly going to be worse in our country than basically every other one because of our health issues. That part's on the people, but keep in mind that most countries haven't let it wash over the entire population because they actually took bold country-wide actions against it early on.

Your solution is probably the best one though, if you want to be safer from it there's 3 important things to do, exercise, eat healthy, and stay away from other people. The scarier part now seems to be that once you get it you can definitely get it again and the second infection is often worse.

 

[Clifff150 10+ year member]

That’s another issue in my opinion. If trump shut down everything, liberals would be burning him at the stake for letting the economy tank and people becoming homeless etc. He leaves it up to the states to decide what they want to do and gets burned for not shutting everything down. Isn’t the economic downfall going to cost more lives than the actual virus? With the country we live in, you can’t tell people they can’t go to work. I understand people not wanting to go to work and getting unemployment but forcing people to not work is ridiculous. I heard Biden wants me to wear a mask anytime I’m outside of my home. He can kiss my ***. In 100 degree heat I’m pretty sure the virus doesn’t survive and there’s scientific evidence it is killed in sunlight instantly.

From what I’ve read about reinfection is that scientists still aren’t convinced and early evidence shows if it’s true, it’s very rare to have severe issues.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

The problem with COVID is these people not working are 1. not going to let anyone tell THEM what to do. 2. Are having withdraws from not working so they feel they have to be doing something. 3. Along comes this brand new thing where all cops are hunting black men and BAM!!!! Now everyone has their excuse to ignore COVID and go play outside and come up with excuses to stay outside and when they get told no, they burn down the cities. Those phuckers!!

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Points 2 and 3 are total bullshit with implicit bias. He LEFT the scene of an angry mob that attacked him. What's the alternative? Stand there and shoot more as they attack you? You can argue the prosecution will attempt to use the point you made, but the literal evidence shows otherwise

The crowd wasn't trying to keep him there for the police, they were trying to exact revenge on him. He literally walked up to the police to turn himself in after the first self defense shot and the dumbass LEO turned him away instead of taking him somewhere secure while they figured it out.

The big takeaway here is that this guy has more balls and 99% of the people online talking shit about how they would beat some ***. He's not even white, he's apparently hispanic. He's done more for those who want to stop BLM/Antifa/Marxists than just about anyone.

It just goes to show when shit hits the fan, there's one group that is well armed and educated and another side who just want to be anarchists. It's going to be like the US invasion of Iraq with a heavily lopsided body count. I don't understand why these sheep continue to push the buttons of those who have historically been the most successful conquerors in the existence of human beings.

What the crowd was doing after the first shooting is up for interpretation. But, he turned himself in after the third shooting, not the first one.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Early (published and reported) estimates of covid deaths in the U.S. was 2.2 million people. Just to keep things in perspective here.

 

[Clifff150 10+ year member]

Early (published and reported) estimates of covid deaths in the U.S. was 2.2 million people. Just to keep things in perspective here.

2.2 million out of 350 million is .006% which honestly nothing