What annoys the ***** outta you/pisses you off...

[wew lad 5,000+ posts]

I don't agree with all the laws we have but we are given the chance to speak on these laws and vote on them. If you do nothing to prevent a law from becoming a law then you have no argument about that law. Break it, deal with the consequences. I have no desire to live in an anarchist society. Laws help keep this from happening by having consequences and by making people accountable. It's funny to me that you think me a radical because I don't think people should break laws. Because I have morals. Because I am ethical. Because I think if you steal a car you broke the law, if you stole a pack of gum you broke the law.... break those two things down, what did someone do? They stole. Stealing is against the law. I don't give two shits that one is a grand theft felony and the other is petty theft... both are violations of the law and it is up to those elected officials to judge at that point and decide their punishment. HOWEVER, I think we should be harder on criminals from the get go. I think we should still be allowed to spank our smart mouth kids. I think this is a sad time in America which is why I do my own things and mind my own business for the most part. So yes, it pisses me off when the actions of another person now interferes with my life causing me to interact with the very criminals I try to avoid. Selfish, lawless pieces of trash who care nothing of the world around them or the people on it and think they can do whatever they want with no backlash or consequences.

@fithwheel It's Jury selection for a criminal trial.

You're missing the point entirely, I never said people should break just laws, did I? Hence the radical ideology I accuse you of.

So you seem to be a standards based individual, great, I am too and it'd be interesting if you knew my background. I love standards, for physics and scientifically based reasons. I should not have to explain this, but I will. We're talking about a completely different beast. "Standards" in the essence we're talking in DO NOT set a precedent and are not really standards. They're made to be interpreted based on a complex circumstance. There's a distinct human factor here that cannot be defined by law. 

I make a law that determines you should commit *******, and if you don't the state will commit it (e.g. murder). PR campaigns lead people through rhetoric to believe this "minor" thing is something that should be voted for and it becomes law. According to your logic you'll abide by that law to the best of your ability, and that's completely within the realm of acceptable and normal. You want to tell me that type of thinkng isn't radical? Please.

Here's a question for you, what is a jury? Do juries democratically determine the outcome of an individuals charge? Can they null a law that was democratically put in place that may not actually be just? Can they be misled? You're missing the point entirely. Instead of providing some substantiating rebuttal, you've skirted around my point and brought up red herring arguments that don't have to do with just vs not just (e.g. your example of theft). Law and societal standards implemented by the government are much more complicated than that, you of all people, should know that.

This is quite sad to me because you can't seem to think for yourself.

 

[fithwheel]

I don't agree with all the laws we have but we are given the chance to speak on these laws and vote on them. If you do nothing to prevent a law from becoming a law then you have no argument about that law. Break it, deal with the consequences. I have no desire to live in an anarchist society. Laws help keep this from happening by having consequences and by making people accountable. It's funny to me that you think me a radical because I don't think people should break laws. Because I have morals. Because I am ethical. Because I think if you steal a car you broke the law, if you stole a pack of gum you broke the law.... break those two things down, what did someone do? They stole. Stealing is against the law. I don't give two shits that one is a grand theft felony and the other is petty theft... both are violations of the law and it is up to those elected officials to judge at that point and decide their punishment. HOWEVER, I think we should be harder on criminals from the get go. I think we should still be allowed to spank our smart mouth kids. I think this is a sad time in America which is why I do my own things and mind my own business for the most part. So yes, it pisses me off when the actions of another person now interferes with my life causing me to interact with the very criminals I try to avoid. Selfish, lawless pieces of trash who care nothing of the world around them or the people on it and think they can do whatever they want with no backlash or consequences.

@fithwheel It's Jury selection for a criminal trial.

some crimes aren't really crimes I have a problem with sending someone to jail for possession. Or the person who is a habitual common nuisance because they have a mental issue. We don't take care of our drug addicts or the mentally ill. Actually by design that this happens if ya look into it. There's a lot of money to be made filling up the jails. Look into how many jails have been built over the last 20 30 years. We send more people to jail then just about any other country. Fair trail are for those who can afford it in a lot of cases. For the poor it's more like cattle herding get them in get them out. Take a plea that's your best bet buddy. The ideal of a jury trial is great but very flawed in how it's implemented.
Also we don't all get to vote. Once you have a felony on your record you loose that right forever. Not too sure our votes are counted up fairly anyway. They seem to get things pass they really want. 
Odds are you won't get selected anyway. 

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You're missing the point entirely, I never said people should break just laws, did I? Hence the radical ideology I accuse you of.

So you seem to be a standards based individual, great, I am too and it'd be interesting if you knew my background. I love standards, for physics and scientifically based reasons. I should not have to explain this, but I will. We're talking about a completely different beast. "Standards" in the essence we're talking in DO NOT set a precedent and are not really standards. They're made to be interpreted based on a complex circumstance. There's a distinct human factor here that cannot be defined by law. 

I make a law that determines you should commit *******, and if you don't the state will commit it (e.g. murder). PR campaigns lead people through rhetoric to believe this "minor" thing is something that should be voted for and it becomes law. According to your logic you'll abide by that law to the best of your ability, and that's completely within the realm of acceptable and normal. You want to tell me that type of thinkng isn't radical? Please.

Here's a question for you, what is a jury? Do juries democratically determine the outcome of an individuals charge? Can they null a law that was democratically put in place that may not actually be just? Can they be misled? You're missing the point entirely. Instead of providing some substantiating rebuttal, you've skirted around my point and brought up red herring arguments that don't have to do with just vs not just (e.g. your example of theft). Law and societal standards implemented by the government are much more complicated than that, you of all people, should know that.

This is quite sad to me because you can't seem to think for yourself.

I have read and re-read your post... Maybe it is just me but I don't see "the point" you are trying to make... is it in all the justifications for breaking different types of laws somewhere? So let me ask... What is your point exactly? No long definitions full of "reasons" or misdirection... what is the point you made that I somehow missed?

Here is MY point. Breaking the law is breaking the law. The problem arises when people start to justify breaking laws by making statements like "It doesn't affect anyone else" or "nobody will miss it" or ANY justification for breaking ANY law. Then people start to accept it as normal to break laws and it snowballs as more and more laws are broken. Yes, the prison systems are a business and it's booming. Why? Because it has become acceptable to so many people that breaking laws, whatever laws, is ok. So more and more people end up on probation, in the county jails, in prison. The government is making money off of criminals. Good for them!!! Guess what, don't break the law and it doesn't happen. As long as the individual thinks it is their choice what laws they obey, we will continue to have this problem. It is though... it is YOUR choice to obey or disobey the law.... It has been planned for already with little rooms with locking doors.

@fithwheel The felony thing is not true with exceptions. Violent crimes (****, Murder and the like) you will always be a felon. However, I was a felon for grand theft way back when I was a teenager. I was convicted of this felony and it was my choice to commit the crime... (Justifications to follow... I was very kind to the Corvette that I was stealing the rims off of by placing the blocks cautiously under the vehicle and even used pads to prevent scratches. This kindness was not overlooked by the owner of the car lot.) This crime made my life a pain in the *** for a while... then people stole from me, things I cared about and it clicked. What we do affects others. So I changed my life. I went to the Governor of Florida and got my civil rights restored with a pardon.

I am not a radical thinker, I am a common sense thinker and I have been there and done that. I no longer think the government is trying to control us with all these laws, as an adult I know that most of them are there to help keep order and keep us safe. I have also dated many, many women who tried to pull the wool, so to speak, over my eyes by using misdirection and justifications and guilt trips... so none of that crap works on me either. I am a common sense, straight forward thinker. I save the critical and analytical thinking for the things that warrant it.

 

[wew lad 5,000+ posts]

I have read and re-read your post... Maybe it is just me but I don't see "the point" you are trying to make... is it in all the justifications for breaking different types of laws somewhere? So let me ask... What is your point exactly? No long definitions full of "reasons" or misdirection... what is the point you made that I somehow missed?

Here is MY point. Breaking the law is breaking the law. The problem arises when people start to justify breaking laws by making statements like "It doesn't affect anyone else" or "nobody will miss it" or ANY justification for breaking ANY law. Then people start to accept it as normal to break laws and it snowballs as more and more laws are broken. Yes, the prison systems are a business and it's booming. Why? Because it has become acceptable to so many people that breaking laws, whatever laws, is ok. So more and more people end up on probation, in the county jails, in prison. The government is making money off of criminals. Good for them!!! Guess what, don't break the law and it doesn't happen. As long as the individual thinks it is their choice what laws they obey, we will continue to have this problem. It is though... it is YOUR choice to obey or disobey the law.... It has been planned for already with little rooms with locking doors.

Slipper slope logical fallacy, try again

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Slipper slope logical fallacy, try again

Again... what was your point that I missed?

 

[fithwheel]

Corvette summer 

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

Corvette summer 

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[ThxOne Premium Member]

Corvette summer 

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[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

It kind sometimes be cute when a female has a male (ish) name. But who the f**k names the girl Walker? 

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

I hate the fact that all the hot chicks from school are now either fat or dead. It's a friend of mines birthday and she was so f*****g hot back in the day. Fat as f**k now. Sent a few feel good text but damn I miss the days of fingering her skinny *** on the school bus.

 

[wew lad 5,000+ posts]

I hate the fact that all the hot chicks from school are now either fat or dead. It's a friend of mines birthday and she was so f*****g hot back in the day. Fat as f**k now. Sent a few feel good text but damn I miss the days of fingering her skinny *** on the school bus.

I don't mind it, maybe your generation was different but I just laugh at the hoes and what they've become lol even though its kinda sad. 

It's motivating to think how much further I've gone in life than many of them. I figured some of them would make it to this point but it's literally about 1% of them that are on par with what I'd consider successful. 

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

I don't mind it, maybe your generation was different but I just laugh at the hoes and what they've become lol even though its kinda sad. 

It's motivating to think how much further I've gone in life than many of them. I figured some of them would make it to this point but it's literally about 1% of them that are on par with what I'd consider successful. 

So true. It is sad though. 

 

[fithwheel]

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you don't remember that movie? I believe the kid stole a Corvette!

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

you don't remember that movie? I believe the kid stole a Corvette!

Never seen it, was before my time.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I hate the fact that all the hot chicks from school are now either fat or dead. It's a friend of mines birthday and she was so f*****g hot back in the day. Fat as f**k now. Sent a few feel good text but damn I miss the days of fingering her skinny *** on the school bus.

Ain't that the truth. I am still friends with the girl who took my virginity when I was 15... used to be cute but now shes chubby as hell, covered in tattoos and holes from piercings. A few of the girls I dated in my teens years almost made it through and were still good looking for a while... then the pill popping craze caught on. Man that can really make a pretty girl gross.