wtb 2 12" subs(type r r t1)

[hsucowboy52 10+ year member]

NOT doubting that many subs would outperform for less, but just curious to what that would be?

 

[dleccord 5,000+ posts]

no im just curious why 2 cvrs werent as loud as a t1. actually i think 2 cvr 12s will stomp a t1 in output. just a thought.

 

[hsucowboy52 10+ year member]

i want to do two t1's

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I don't know why the T1 has such a bad rep //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif I'm giving my T1 approx. 1000-1100 watts RMS from a Hifonics BXi1206D for a while now, and I push the sub pretty hard and it hasn't failed on me. I mean, I do have my gains set right and I don't crank the volume to max but I do still play it hard. I personally like it compared to most subs I've heard around here.

a reputation is from many peoples common opinion... not one persons good luck you're t1 might be awsome.. but fact is alot of people complain they fail easy and quick...

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

ive seen several t1's fail due to factory flaw's if you find one that doesnt have a factory flaw then sure they are ok. but there is so many sub's on the market that would stomp the t1 that cost less.

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[inapontiac 10+ year member]

check the sig...

 

[ga12r 10+ year member]

kicker's round subs are pretty decent, actually good for the price
kicker's subs = over-rated crap if you want to move air buy a fan... if you want to play music don't buy kicker

Yeah, and looking at your sig, Im guessing your sub setup sounds real nice.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Yeah, and looking at your sig, Im guessing your sub setup sounds real nice.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

yeah actually it does!... with the right amps... please tell me your not not another idiot that thinks i'll have cancellation...

SQ setup and ur gunna say kicker's squares sound good?

 

[ga12r 10+ year member]

yeah actually it does!... with the right amps... please tell me your not not another idiot that thinks i'll have cancellation...

I dont really see why you would want to run 2 different sized subs? What benefit is this? Perhaps you could school me wiseone.

 

[ga12r 10+ year member]

SQ setup and ur gunna say kicker's squares sound good?

Kicker Solobarics have won SQ comps. It is all in the install. I can take almost any sub and get a decent SQ score with proper EQing. Unless you dont understand what SQ is. A kicker Solobaric may not sound good to you but the RTA doesn't lie.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I dont really see why you would want to run 2 different sized subs? What benefit is this? Perhaps you could school me wiseone.

here i go again.... i'm shure you know that a voice coil is an inductor... but the basic concept is that the longer an inductor coil is the slower its frequency response is because inductors try to maintain a specific current... and the bigger the coil the slower it changes currents because the coil itself resists that change... so if you had a 10 and a 15 with the same voice coil they would not have different frequency responce exept that it takes a larger coil to move a larger cone (the driver is not only moving the cone but also the air surrounding it.) so yeah if the motor's are the same between sizes you won't lose frequency but a 10 and a 13 with the same motor would be completlely idiotic... you would get more volume out of the 10 so you can't get around the fact that it is nessecary to have a slower responce from a larger sub in order for it to even maintain the same same volume as a smaller sub (at least when dealing with subs of the same series) the reason i want both is that i want the good frequency response of the 10 that goes along with louder sound levels at higher frequencies and still get the low rolling boom from the larger sub that doesn't sound as "tight" as the 10's... you can never make any amount of 10's sound like any amount of 15's... the multi sub approach is a way to get every possible sound and feel out of your substage... feel is a whole different reason in itself... (when you have many small subs say 10's the subs all make smaller amplitude soundwaves so with a bunch of these sound waves you get alot of air moving or spl from several small waves but the waves themselves individually only get so big... so alot of tens have the potential to move air like crazy but as far as big waves they don't happen... a bigger sub uses a single higher amplitude wave to produce the same spl as many smaller subs... the difference is the way the larger sub effects the car... think of it as the effects of many small earthquakes vs. 1 large one... the many small would peak in output at certain phases and frequencies but not all of them it leaves a very sloppy hard to equalize setup... where the 1 big one in the earthquake instance... would cause more destruction everywhere in contact... this analogy applies because the car around the subs absorbes the sound waves and realeses the energy as vibration the small waves wouldn't have this effect as much as the large ones even when pushing the same spl... this attributes to the common misconception that smaller subs are made tighter... the truth is that they only sound that way because of the issues i have just explained

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Kicker Solobarics have won SQ comps. It is all in the install. I can take almost any sub and get a decent SQ score with proper EQing. Unless you dont understand what SQ is. A kicker Solobaric may not sound good to you but the RTA doesn't lie.

no you are right about that... you can make ALMOST any sub sound good with enough work but kicker requires more work then alot....good dynamics and flat-range are not built-in there are some subs that would get a decent sq score out of the box but another factor missed entirely is the amp para-eq's and filters

 

[ga12r 10+ year member]

here i go again.... i'm shure you know that a voice coil is an inductor... but the basic concept is that the longer an inductor coil is the slower its frequency response is because inductors try to maintain a specific current... and the bigger the coil the slower it changes currents because the coil itself resists that change... so if you had a 10 and a 15 with the same voice coil they would not have different frequency responce exept that it takes a larger coil to move a larger cone (the driver is not only moving the cone but also the air surrounding it.) so yeah if the motor's are the same between sizes you won't lose frequency but a 10 and a 13 with the same motor would be completlely idiotic... you would get more volume out of the 10 so you can't get around the fact that it is nessecary to have a slower responce from a larger sub in order for it to even maintain the same same volume as a smaller sub (at least when dealing with subs of the same series) the reason i want both is that i want the good frequency response of the 10 that goes along with louder sound levels at higher frequencies and still get the low rolling boom from the larger sub that doesn't sound as "tight" as the 10's... you can never make any amount of 10's sound like any amount of 15's... the multi sub approach is a way to get every possible sound and feel out of your substage... feel is a whole different reason in itself... (when you have many small subs say 10's the subs all make smaller amplitude soundwaves so with a bunch of these sound waves you get alot of air moving or spl from several small waves but the waves themselves individually only get so big... so alot of tens have the potential to move air like crazy but as far as big waves they don't happen... a bigger sub uses a single higher amplitude wave to produce the same spl as many smaller subs... the difference is the way the larger sub effects the car... think of it as the effects of many small earthquakes vs. 1 large one... the many small would peak in output at certain phases and frequencies but not all of them it leaves a very sloppy hard to equalize setup... where the 1 big one in the earthquake instance... would cause more destruction everywhere in contact... this analogy applies because the car around the subs absorbes the sound waves and realeses the energy as vibration the small waves wouldn't have this effect as much as the large ones even when pushing the same spl... this attributes to the common misconception that smaller subs are made tighter... the truth is that they only sound that way because of the issues i have just explained

Never again will I ask someone on this forum to school me . But I still do not agree. With good midbass drivers and a good X-over to bandpass them, I do not see the reason for the 10s.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Never again will I ask someone on this forum to school me . But I still do not agree. With good midbass drivers and a good X-over to banpass them, I do not see the reason for the 10s.

i see that and thats the only thing where they possibly don't make sense... if you have good middbase drivers but i don't have the room for them only 5.25's in front and 6.5s in back... and there is a size restriction the biggest divers on my midrang i can fit are the size of what i have... the type-r's