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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Seems like Biden stopped. The wall, ended 42. Seems like your boy is pro illegal immigration. Explain that.

The Wall was complete eyewash and was done without Congressional approval.
What DID get built was a waste of money, had no positive effect on illegal immigration, and will be a huge money pit when it starts falling apart in a few years.

As for Title 42, learn more about it than just seeing a meme that says "Biden bad man for taking away Trump's Title 42":

The name comes from the section of the U.S. Code (Title 42, Section 264) that justified it: a vaguely written 1944 law allowing limits at border crossings for public health reasons. At the pandemic’s outset in March 2020, the Trump administration interpreted this as allowing immediate expulsions of undocumented migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border, including those seeking asylum in the United States. In most cases, migrants were blocked from even asking for protection.

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

Crossings rose by 4% under Biden, but apprehensions and deportation rose over 400%.

Crossings were higher under Trump than they had been in decades, but apprehensions and deportation hardly grew at all.
Yeah, real tough on illegal immigration. GMAFB

https://www.cato.org/blog/trumps-border-policies-let-more-immigrants-sneak

"Border Patrol recorded 41 percent more successful illegal entries in fiscal year 2019 than in 2016 and was on pace for 47 percent more through four months of 2020."

And you already know my opinion. I can't say it because someone got their feelings hurt.

What the data doesn't show is the result of the encounters (whether a visa was granted or not), and more importantly, how many people slipped through the border undetected, what is known as the "got away" ratio.


"The Border Patrol has never developed a scientifically defensible methodology for estimating the number of undetected entries," Cornelius said.

Because of the lapse in data, the high number of encounters seen under the Biden administration could mean that the border is more secure. Yet, it could also mean that the border is less secure because more people have slipped past the border, although Cornelius said there has been no evidence from government or academic sources that the ratio has changed significantly.

-Wayne Cornelius, the director of UC San Diego's Mexican Migration Field Research Program

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

-Wayne Cornelius, the director of UC San Diego's Mexican Migration Field Research Program

Yes. No signifcant evidence that the "got aways" ratio has increased significantly.
So, if illegal crossings are up 4% but "encounters" (meaning caught and deported) are up 400%, then Biden is doing better.
Which means Trump was either all talk and little action, or he was very ineffective when taking action.

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

Yes. No signifcant evidence that the "got aways" ratio has increased significantly.
So, if illegal crossings are up 4% but "encounters" (meaning caught and deported) are up 400%, then Biden is doing better.
Which means Trump was either all talk and little action, or he was very ineffective when taking action.

Biden re-enacted article 42 and 'stay in Mexico' which if i remember correctly were "draconian policies' when Trump was doing it. so he is doing better then Trump by using Trump policies on the border? okayyyyyy

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I wasn't hurt by your words.
That's why I didn't report you, like you reported me and got my posts pulled.

Still waiting for you either admit you're wrong and apologize or admit you're lying right here...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

The Wall was complete eyewash and was done without Congressional approval.
What DID get built was a waste of money, had no positive effect on illegal immigration, and will be a huge money pit when it starts falling apart in a few years.

As for Title 42, learn more about it than just seeing a meme that says "Biden bad man for taking away Trump's Title 42":

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The name comes from the section of the U.S. Code (Title 42, Section 264) that justified it: a vaguely written 1944 law allowing limits at border crossings for public health reasons. At the pandemic’s outset in March 2020, the Trump administration interpreted this as allowing immediate expulsions of undocumented migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border, including those seeking asylum in the United States. In most cases, migrants were blocked from even asking for protection.

Better recheck your facts. The CDC invoked title 42 at the beginning of the corona virus outbreak in March of 2020.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Biden re-enacted article 42 and 'stay in Mexico' which if i remember correctly were "draconian policies' when Trump was doing it. so he is doing better then Trump by using Trump policies on the border? okayyyyyy

It was the separation of families that was the problem with Trump's interpretation.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Better recheck your facts. The CDC invoked title 42 at the beginning of the corona virus outbreak in March of 2020.

Fact: Title 42 has been around since July 1944. 42 U.S.C. § 265
Fact: Trump was POTUS in 2020.

Which facts would you like me to "recheck"?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Fact: Title 42 has been around since July 1944. 42 U.S.C. § 265
Fact: Trump was POTUS in 2020.

Which facts would you like me to "recheck"?

Trump isn't the one who said to use it. That was the CDC.

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

It was the separation of families that was the problem with Trump's interpretation.

It wasn't a problem. It was a consequence of people trying to come into the country illegally.

 

[YourNameHere 10+ year member]

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Trump isn't the one who said to use it. That was the CDC.

Title 42 was invoked by Trump in March of 2020.
The CDC operates under the command of the federal government. POTUS is in charge.
Trump was POTUS vin March of 2020.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It wasn't a problem. It was a consequence of people trying to come into the country illegally.

It was illegal. But other than that, it worked out great.

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

It was illegal. But other than that, it worked out great.

wasnt a problem when Obama was doing it

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

wasnt a problem when Obama was doing it

Cages were cool under Obama as well...