Winners only.

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Haha, don’t wanna answer this one?

You are talking to yourself again. Het some rest.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You guys make it sound like a driver just pops off the road and there's someplace to shutdown...without factoring in places that could have chargers installed...there isn't enough places for drivers to shutdown as is...and not all those places now are gonna be feasible for charging stations...if it was that easy to fix just having places to shutdown at, then the govt should've fixed that a decade ago...

You’re assuming that a change to EV will just occur by suddenly making tens of thousands of vehicles with no infrastructure to support them.
Gas stations seemed to appear when gas cars became common. So did tollbooths, lol. Only one of those was due to government.
Right now, there is 1 charging station for every 86 EV cars on the road. STATION, not electric feed. And the VAST majority charge at home, which means charging stations are currently underutilized.

If/when EV becomes the standard, the infrastructure will follow.
Welcome to capitalism.

Charging Medium- and Heavy-Duty Electric Vehicles: Plugging into the Future Part II - Great Plains Institute

The medium- and heavy-duty electric vehicle (EV) market is growing. However, mass electrification of medium- and heavy-duty vehicles will require charging infrastructure and standards tailored to meet their high energy needs. Leaders have an opportunity to increase electrification of these...

betterenergy.org

.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

You’re assuming that a change to EV will just occur by suddenly making tens of thousands of vehicles with no infrastructure to support them.
Gas stations seemed to appear when gas cars became common. So did tollbooths, lol. Only one of those was due to government.
Right now, there is 1 charging station for every 86 EV cars on the road. STATION, not electric feed. And the VAST majority charge at home, which means charging stations are currently underutilized.

If/when EV becomes the standard, the infrastructure will follow.
Welcome to capitalism.

Charging Medium- and Heavy-Duty Electric Vehicles: Plugging into the Future Part II - Great Plains Institute

The medium- and heavy-duty electric vehicle (EV) market is growing. However, mass electrification of medium- and heavy-duty vehicles will require charging infrastructure and standards tailored to meet their high energy needs. Leaders have an opportunity to increase electrification of these...

betterenergy.org

.

But some places are already having power outages, so how are they gonna add more energy quickly enough to support ev charging without fossil fuels? All you need to get gas to pumps is more gas. Do you really think we’re gonna power all EV’s in a nation of 300+ million people by “green energy?” Is mining for lithium green?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

But some places are already having power outages, so how are they gonna add more energy quickly enough to support ev charging without fossil fuels? All you need to get gas to pumps is more gas. Do you really think we’re gonna power all EV’s in a nation of 300+ million people by “green energy?” Is mining for lithium green?

Red herrings.
There is a difference between incapable and unwilling. The places that have power issues have them because they have made that choice.

The question should not be “ is it green?” The question should be “is it more green than what we currently do?”.
The goal should always be to do better, not remain static or move backwards.
Since fire was discovered, humans stopped being “green”. But, why would it be good to go “grey”(euphemism for wasteful and polluting) with as much gusto as possible?

Is it your stance that if we can’t go back to the days before fire, we should do nothing?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

You’re assuming that a change to EV will just occur by suddenly making tens of thousands of vehicles with no infrastructure to support them.
Gas stations seemed to appear when gas cars became common. So did tollbooths, lol. Only one of those was due to government.
Right now, there is 1 charging station for every 86 EV cars on the road. STATION, not electric feed. And the VAST majority charge at home, which means charging stations are currently underutilized.

If/when EV becomes the standard, the infrastructure will follow.
Welcome to capitalism.

Charging Medium- and Heavy-Duty Electric Vehicles: Plugging into the Future Part II - Great Plains Institute

The medium- and heavy-duty electric vehicle (EV) market is growing. However, mass electrification of medium- and heavy-duty vehicles will require charging infrastructure and standards tailored to meet their high energy needs. Leaders have an opportunity to increase electrification of these...

betterenergy.org

.

I'm not assuming that at...my stance is were very far off from ev freight...you're making it seem like a couple quick fixes here or there and boom...a lot of drivers every day have to get extremely creative finding someplace to shut...a small percentage have to shutdown along side the highway because they can't find anywhere else...I doubt you care what a driver goes through on daily basis as long as your gadgets are the shelf when you go to walmart...I'm done talking about this since it obvious you have no clue..."park where they are now" makes that abundantly clear...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

From what I've read, ~400 miles per charge, cut that in half for heavy towing. Of course you do have the option of camping closer. If you plan thoughtfully, then charging stops can be made to coincide with meals or other stops. And there is always the option to camp lighter. Personally, I've never really understood the concept of "roughing it" by towing along a portable home along.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Red herrings.
There is a difference between incapable and unwilling. The places that have power issues have them because they have made that choice.

The question should not be “ is it green?” The question should be “is it more green than what we currently do?”.
The goal should always be to do better, not remain static or move backwards.
Since fire was discovered, humans stopped being “green”. But, why would it be good to go “grey”(euphemism for wasteful and polluting) with as much gusto as possible?

Is it your stance that if we can’t go back to the days before fire, we should do nothing?

How do you determine the acceptable ratio of green energy vs human suffering?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I at least appreciate his efforts to argue. Many guys here will just give up and call you a diick likker after the first fact you toss at them.

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

A Taste for Cannibalism?

A spate of recent stomach-churning books, TV shows and films suggests we’ve never looked so delicious — to one another.

www.nytimes.com

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Yeah...glad we got quality media outlets like the times figuring out when it's OK to eat long pork...

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

Yeah...glad we got quality media outlets like the times figuring out when it's OK to eat long pork...
Yeah they like spirt cooking party where they serve hot dogs and pizza.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Knowing about the source you quote can be important when using them to support an argument.

“Shellenberger disagrees with most environmentalists over the impacts of environmental threats and policies for addressing them. Shellenberger's positions and writings on climate change and environmentalism have been called "bad science" and "inaccurate" by environmental scientists and academics, while receiving praise from writers and journalists in the popular press, including conservative and libertarian news outlets and organizations.”

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Anything that goes against the narrative...

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Knowing about the source you quote can be important when using them to support an argument.

“Shellenberger disagrees with most environmentalists over the impacts of environmental threats and policies for addressing them. Shellenberger's positions and writings on climate change and environmentalism have been called "bad science" and "inaccurate" by environmental scientists and academics, while receiving praise from writers and journalists in the popular press, including conservative and libertarian news outlets and organizations.”

Where did your quote come from lol? There’s only also the entire LA times article. That’s such gaslighting to avoid talking about the issue. Typical liberal now days