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It was the same bullshlt with Trumps womanizing and misogynistic actions. His followers suddenly found it OK to be that way. Many said “Clinton did it”. Way to drop your so-called morals like a hot potato.

So will you call it whataboutism when I mention that Biden has a strong accusation against him that he sexually assaulted a female assistant by pinning her to a wall and inserting his finger inside her? You are starting down a path that you seem to think only goes one-way, when it actually goes both ways.

Want to discuss "so called morals"? What about all the people on the left who suddenly scream insurrection, that have conveniently forgotten about the leftists who attacked the Supreme Court building and attempted to break down the front door back in 2018, to stop the legal appointment of Justice Kavanaugh? Let me guess, that's different too.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

"Operative who worked on Steele dossier arrested as part of Trump-era DOJ investigation


An analyst who worked on the so-called Steele dossier — the salacious, largely unverified collection of former President Donald Trump's links to Russia — was arrested Thursday on charges that he lied to the FBI.

Igor Danchenko, who's been described as the dossier's primary researcher, was arrested as part of an investigation by John Durham, the special counsel appointed by Trump’s Justice Department to investigate the origins of the Russia probe." - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...-dossier-arrested-part-trump-era-doj-n1283197

Not to be an ***, but you wont find this info if you don't look for it. That's an NBC article, not Fox News, so its not like you have to make yourself look at some alt-right site or station to learn how the chips are starting fall on the steele dossier lies.

As for the party in power, Biden is now in power but you don't seem to care if there is a lie list for him. In fact, you have suggested we shouldn't bother because you feel nobody lies as much as Trump. So you change your story on party in power being held to a higher standard based on which party is in power. And you want us to think you want to apply justice equally, but you don't seem to care about democrat congress people who lied about Russian collusion, even when it was their party who was in power in congress during most of that time. Hillary Clinton, not the president but still extremely powerful, paid to generate the steele lies. Congress people like Adam Schiff who claimed he had seen evidence with his own eyes of Russian collusion, but simply couldn't make it public yet due to an on going investigation. Now that the steele dossier is being picked apart, Schiff went on a tv show (The View iirc) and changed the subject, just as you have here, to say we shouldn't downplay Trump's lies. Peter Strzok, the lead FBI investigator in charge of the Russian collusion charge... fired for obvious bias based on text messages he sent his mistress saying he would work to stop Trump from taking power. All very very powerful people, even though they weren't *the president*.

CREATE THE LIST.
You can’t expect me to believe if Biden is lying with every other word that no one is keeping track. If he is, why are we not seeing references to it all over the place? Everyone and their grandmother has a podcast and access to post YouTube videos.
Why aren’t we seeing anything about Biden’s flagrant dishonesty? Maybe there are no Trump supporters who can do it? Or maybe they’re too busy making memes accusing him of being a ********* or hiding in his basement (when Trump was actually doing the hiding).
Why is it that no lie list was ever made before Trump? Is it because he turned lying into an art form?

I’m happy to read a list or watch a video where they dissect a Biden presser and count the lies. WHERE ARE THEY? They must be out there.
Honestly, I never needed to search for a Trump lie example. I just had to watch him speak publicly. It is also because the examples as shared by others were literally EVERYWHERE. You couldn’t go anywhere on the net without bumping into them.
Perhaps if there were less than 20,000 examples…

If the accusations against Biden are true, they should be investigated with the same vigor as Trump was. But will it be OK if Biden says no one is allowed to testify against him? Balance.
When Clinto lied under oath, I was fully in favor of impeachment.

Regarding the Kavanugh incident, what happened to those people?
Do you consider that act the same as an attempted overthrow of the office of POTUS? Who invited them to act? What happened to them?

 

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CREATE THE LIST.
You can’t expect me to believe if Biden is lying with every other word that no one is keeping track. If he is, why are we not seeing references to it all over the place? Everyone and their grandmother has a podcast and access to post YouTube videos.
Why aren’t we seeing anything about Biden’s flagrant dishonesty? Maybe there are no Trump supporters who can do it? Or maybe they’re too busy making memes accusing him of being a ********* or hiding in his basement (when Trump was actually doing the hiding).
Why is it that no lie list was ever made before Trump? Is it because he turned lying into an art form?

I’m happy to read a list or watch a video where they dissect a Biden presser and count the lies. WHERE ARE THEY? They must be out there.
Honestly, I never needed to search for a Trump lie example. I just had to watch him speak publicly. It is also because the examples as shared by others were literally EVERYWHERE. You couldn’t go anywhere on the net without bumping into them.
Perhaps if there were less than 20,000 examples…

If the accusations against Biden are true, they should be investigated with the same vigor as Trump was. But will it be OK if Biden says no one is allowed to testify against him? Balance.
When Clinto lied under oath, I was fully in favor of impeachment.

Regarding the Kavanugh incident, what happened to those people?
Do you consider that act the same as an attempted overthrow of the office of POTUS? Who invited them to act? What happened to them?

I don't have to create any list for you. You wont even address the accusation of ****** assault against Biden that I brought up, so me spending time producing a list because you are too unconcerned about democrat lies to do so yourself would clearly be futile. As for Trump's list, all I've stated is that it's telling that the idea of needing a lie list for the sake for truth in politics was suddenly dropped when a democrat took office. If you want to naively suggest it is because Biden is honest, that is your hill to die on.

164 people were arrested for storming the Supreme Court building. The point is I haven't heard one single leftist call it an insurrection, because double standards. Back in 2018 the left claimed it was so crucial to oust Kavanaugh because a lifetime appointment is absurdly powerful, now those same people say the 4-year term of a president is much much more powerful. IMO the truth is somewhere between those two polarities of thought, but again my point is about consistency.

"Do you consider that act the same as an attempted overthrow of the office of POTUS? Who invited them to act? What happened to them?"

Your comment of "who invited them to act" is quite telling and suggestive. I have my own suggestive statement, Trump clearly, on video, told them to protest "peacefully". But you put that statement in here to suggest otherwise, either because you have believed the lies on that subject the media fed you, or you know better but perpetuate the lie anyway, to win at any cost.

And I have another suggestive statement, creating and perpetuating a 4-year long lie that the president was illegitimate based on Russian collusion is an attempt to overthrow the office of the POTUS. Does the left care about that insurrection? We both know they don't. And you claimed that lie was from people out of power, I listed mutliple very powerful people who created and perpetuated it, but you ignored that fact and simply moved on. That's intellectual dishonesty. If you had a reasonable response to those people are and were powerful (and I could name several more powerful congress people who were involved, including the speaker of the house), you would have given it. So you ignoring points you can't argue, points that showed your original statement was false, tells me Im not engaging here with a person looking for honest answers to our debate. Win at all costs is the vibe you give off, and this is me giving you my shocked face.

 

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I’m trying to watch Joy Reid on NBC talk about the Rittenhouse trial. There was an entire whole video of what happened that they literally just played in court. Was there a 2nd trial held in secret that I didn’t get to see? Im for much stricter gun laws inside city limits (outside city limits is a bit different story for me), but…..I’m not gonna lie, I would’ve shot them. I would’ve been screwed since I don’t carry a gun, but if I happened to be a gun guyI would’ve shot at least the last 2 guys for sure. I used to skate when I was a kid and I’ve busted a few people with a skateboard. I totally could’ve killed someone with a skateboard, and any of you on this forum could also. I don’t know. I’m a little torn on this one. Rittenhouse is an idiot who should’ve stayed his punk *** at home, but after seeing the real speed video of how that went down, I’m not sure if it wasn’t self defense honestly. Rittenhouse poked the bear by screwing around with the BLM rioters and almost got his dumbass beat down. As much as I love to see big mouth tough guys get beat down, putting myself in his shoes…I would have assumed that a bunch more people would’ve jumped in a gave me a beat down if I just sat there and took it. I dunno. Looks bad for the prosecution to be honest.

 

[SlugButter]

I’m supposed to be building a box. Putting a TV out in the shop was the dumbest decision I’ve ever made I think.

 

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Also, both prosecutors and the defense attorney just seemed like unlikeable guys to me. I didn’t like any of them or how they came off on a personal level.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I don't have to create any list for you. You wont even address the accusation of ****** assault against Biden that I brought up, so me spending time producing a list because you are too unconcerned about democrat lies to do so yourself would clearly be futile. As for Trump's list, all I've stated is that it's telling that the idea of needing a lie list for the sake for truth in politics was suddenly dropped when a democrat took office. If you want to naively suggest it is because Biden is honest, that is your hill to die on.

164 people were arrested for storming the Supreme Court building. The point is I haven't heard one single leftist call it an insurrection, because double standards. Back in 2018 the left claimed it was so crucial to oust Kavanaugh because a lifetime appointment is absurdly powerful, now those same people say the 4-year term of a president is much much more powerful. IMO the truth is somewhere between those two polarities of thought, but again my point is about consistency.

"Do you consider that act the same as an attempted overthrow of the office of POTUS? Who invited them to act? What happened to them?"

Your comment of "who invited them to act" is quite telling and suggestive. I have my own suggestive statement, Trump clearly, on video, told them to protest "peacefully". But you put that statement in here to suggest otherwise, either because you have believed the lies on that subject the media fed you, or you know better but perpetuate the lie anyway, to win at any cost.

And I have another suggestive statement, creating and perpetuating a 4-year long lie that the president was illegitimate based on Russian collusion is an attempt to overthrow the office of the POTUS. Does the left care about that insurrection? We both know they don't. And you claimed that lie was from people out of power, I listed mutliple very powerful people who created and perpetuated it, but you ignored that fact and simply moved on. That's intellectual dishonesty. If you had a reasonable response to those people are and were powerful (and I could name several more powerful congress people who were involved, including the speaker of the house), you would have given it. So you ignoring points you can't argue, points that showed your original statement was false, tells me Im not engaging here with a person looking for honest answers to our debate. Win at all costs is the vibe you give off, and this is me giving you my shocked face.

“If the accusations against Biden are true, they should be investigated with the same vigor as Trump was. But will it be OK if Biden says no one is allowed to testify against him? Balance.”

691 people have been charged so far in the coup attempt.

The term insurrection has been used quite a bit by many people. I’m surprised you’ve never read it anywhere or heard it anywhere. Jan 6th fits the definition quote well.

I didn’t ignore the idea of powerful people taking illegal action at all. In fact, I discussed the idea of a hierarchy when it comes to “wrong” actions. It makes me think you’re being intellectually dishonest by accusing me of of ignoring it. It makes me think you didn’t even read my post, yet accuse me of not responding to YOURS. Sad!
Hint: I repeated an important word from my previous post here. Guess which one?

I’ll be suggestive too: Trump told them “fight like hell” and “stop the steal” on the day of the vote. Is “wearing hats and waving flags” “fighting like hell”? Is it a reasonable idea Trump was stupid enough to think a “peaceful demonstration” would stop the vote from happening?
Was it mass hypnosis that caused all those people to act that way, or do you think Trump may have had an inkling how his followers would react and act?
It’s the Catch-22. If he’s that stupid, then imagine how stupid his followers are to stay at his side. If he’s that smart, then he had to know what was likely to happen as a result of his speeches.

So pick: stupid, or smart?

 

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I am sure the "list of lies" for Trump is mostly B.S. made by people who don't like Trump. Why would Biden have a list? Meaning, why would the people who dislike Trump make a list for Biden. No need to trash the guy you support. Right? It's been all about trashing Trump for a long, long time now. Misdirection. Biden has lied. It's been shown too. He said he would do things as President during his campaigning then did the opposite once he became President. I doubt it is his choice. Everyone knows he is a pawn and is NOT running the show. If he spoke against the people controlling him he would be cast aside and treated just like Trump was.

 

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“If the accusations against Biden are true, they should be investigated with the same vigor as Trump was. But will it be OK if Biden says no one is allowed to testify against him? Balance.”

691 people have been charged so far in the coup attempt.

The term insurrection has been used quite a bit by many people. I’m surprised you’ve never read it anywhere or heard it anywhere. Jan 6th fits the definition quote well.

I didn’t ignore the idea of powerful people taking illegal action at all. In fact, I discussed the idea of a hierarchy when it comes to “wrong” actions. It makes me think you’re being intellectually dishonest by accusing me of of ignoring it. It makes me think you didn’t even read my post, yet accuse me of not responding to YOURS. Sad!
Hint: I repeated an important word from my previous post here. Guess which one?

I’ll be suggestive too: Trump told them “fight like hell” and “stop the steal” on the day of the vote. Is “wearing hats and waving flags” “fighting like hell”? Is it a reasonable idea Trump was stupid enough to think a “peaceful demonstration” would stop the vote from happening?
Was it mass hypnosis that caused all those people to act that way, or do you think Trump may have had an inkling how his followers would react and act?
It’s the Catch-22. If he’s that stupid, then imagine how stupid his followers are to stay at his side. If he’s that smart, then he had to know what was likely to happen as a result of his speeches.

So pick: stupid, or smart?

You can "fight like hell" peacefully. You want to read into his words, while ignoring words he actually said. I mean, the Summer of Love was "mostly peaceful", right? Double standards. Even the silly "leader" of the insurrection waering a buffalo hat is on video, inside the Capitol Building, saying that they need to remain peaceful. Or didn't you see that video?

"I didn’t ignore the idea of powerful people taking illegal action at all. In fact, I discussed the idea of a hierarchy when it comes to “wrong” actions."

So explain this comment... "You consider what you call the lies of the left who were not in power, not the president, to be worse than the 20,000 documented lies a sitting President told his country."

You clearly said people "not in power". The dems controlled congress when multiples of them, including the speaker, propagated the Russian collusion lie. And when I pointed out powerful people lied to you, you did in fact ignore that point. And you'd clearly be happy to continue ignoring it if I didn't mention it again.

"The term insurrection has been used quite a bit by many people. I’m surprised you’ve never read it anywhere or heard it anywhere. Jan 6th fits the definition quote well."

So please tell me how claiming, for 4 years, that Trump was an illegitimate president, based on made up lies paid for by the democrats, wasn't an "insurrection". Tell me how trying to break down the front door of the Supreme Court building wasn't an insurrection. Tell me how prominent democrats urging more "protests" in the streets, that were in fact violent riots where many people died, wasn't an insurrection. Tell me how taking over several city blocks of Portland, declaring it an "autonomous state" outside U.S. jurisdiction in which armed civilians roamed the streets as a makeshift police force, wasn't an insurrection. Then preach to me about not knowing what that word means.

Again, the left lied to us, for basically the entirety of Trump's administration, about him being legit elected, but you want to cry about an insurrection when he told his supporters to protest the election results "peacefully" until a more thorough investigation of the results was conducted. Win at any cost, even if that means ignoring the dozens of deaths the left created with their "mostly peaceful protests" their multi-year claim of illegitimacy with no real evidence, and even in one instance overrunning sovereign US soil and declaring it a new country, while complaining about a bunch of overzealous people who entered the capitol building and killed nobody. There was a lot of wrong doing on Jan 6th, but to suggest it was so much worse than the multi-year, multi-death resistance of the left during Trump's admin, is just you being hyper-partisan.

 

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Spare me your one-sided definition of insurrection.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I am sure the "list of lies" for Trump is mostly B.S. made by people who don't like Trump. Why would Biden have a list? Meaning, why would the people who dislike Trump make a list for Biden. No need to trash the guy you support. Right? It's been all about trashing Trump for a long, long time now. Misdirection. Biden has lied. It's been shown too. He said he would do things as President during his campaigning then did the opposite once he became President. I doubt it is his choice. Everyone knows he is a pawn and is NOT running the show. If he spoke against the people controlling him he would be cast aside and treated just like Trump was.

You are “sure” with just how much research?
I know you’ll claim you are too busy for facts, but I challenge you to pick a random handful of the lies and Google the quotes.
Come back and tell us that there is no such quote that exists.
Keep in mind that pretty much everything he said, wrote, emailed, tweeted, goes into the national archives. If the list -makers fabricated all of the quotes, it can be discovered in seconds.

Challenge accepted, or you make your decisions without proof?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You can "fight like hell" peacefully. You want to read into his words, while ignoring words he actually said. I mean, the Summer of Love was "mostly peaceful", right? Double standards. Even the silly "leader" of the insurrection waering a buffalo hat is on video, inside the Capitol Building, saying that they need to remain peaceful. Or didn't you see that video?

"I didn’t ignore the idea of powerful people taking illegal action at all. In fact, I discussed the idea of a hierarchy when it comes to “wrong” actions."

So explain this comment... "You consider what you call the lies of the left who were not in power, not the president, to be worse than the 20,000 documented lies a sitting President told his country."

You clearly said people "not in power". The dems controlled congress when multiples of them, including the speaker, propagated the Russian collusion lie. And when I pointed out powerful people lied to you, you did in fact ignore that point. And you'd clearly be happy to continue ignoring it if I didn't mention it again.

"The term insurrection has been used quite a bit by many people. I’m surprised you’ve never read it anywhere or heard it anywhere. Jan 6th fits the definition quote well."

So please tell me how claiming, for 4 years, that Trump was an illegitimate president, based on made up lies paid for by the democrats, wasn't an "insurrection". Tell me how trying to break down the front door of the Supreme Court building wasn't an insurrection. Tell me how prominent democrats urging more "protests" in the streets, that were in fact violent riots where many people died, wasn't an insurrection. Tell me how taking over several city blocks of Portland, declaring it an "autonomous state" outside U.S. jurisdiction in which armed civilians roamed the streets as a makeshift police force, wasn't an insurrection. Then preach to me about not knowing what that word means.

Again, the left lied to us, for basically the entirety of Trump's administration, about him being legit elected, but you want to cry about an insurrection when he told his supporters to protest the election results "peacefully" until a more thorough investigation of the results was conducted. Win at any cost, even if that means ignoring the dozens of deaths the left created with their "mostly peaceful protests" their multi-year claim of illegitimacy with no real evidence, and even in one instance overrunning sovereign US soil and declaring it a new country, while complaining about a bunch of overzealous people who entered the capitol building and killed nobody. There was a lot of wrong doing on Jan 6th, but to suggest it was so much worse than the multi-year, multi-death resistance of the left during Trump's admin, is just you being hyper-partisan.

On the DAY of the vote, his followers were going to march down to the Capitol and “peacefully fight like hell” to prevent the vote from happening? THAT DAY?!?!

Because “wearing hats and waving flags” for a few hours will turn things around when NOTHING else could affect it.

Man, you’re either REALLY naive, or you’re trying real hard to portray a low IQ.

More tomorrow.

 

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On the DAY of the vote, his followers were going to march down to the Capitol and “peacefully fight like hell” to prevent the vote from happening? THAT DAY?!?!

Because “wearing hats and waving flags” for a few hours will turn things around when NOTHING else could affect it.

Man, you’re either REALLY naive, or you’re trying real hard to portray a low IQ.

More tomorrow.

You are "fighting like hell" to ignore that he specifically told his supporters to protest "peacefully". Should I consider you an insurrectionist here too?

 

[SlugButter]

Wasting your time on Rob. He’s a thesaurus without the benefit of intellect. Smart enough to spell the words but too shallow to spend the time to understand them.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You are "fighting like hell" to ignore that he specifically told his supporters to protest "peacefully". Should I consider you an insurrectionist here too?

So you agree that all those people from random walks of life just spontaneously decided to attack the Capitol on January 6th?
No common thread, just amazing coincidence?