Why not?

1. You can find products that are not sold in stores, might be something rare. Also it will more than likely be cheaper.

2. Just because they are a professional doesn't mean they know more than you. A professional installer may be someone working at Best Buy (no offense) and be his first day and have minimal knowledge.

I can argue against this as well as to why it would be good to go to a dealer or retail store, but that wasn't part of the question so I won't answer those.

 
Which is probably one of the top 10 HU's ever made.


Noob.
They dont sell sony at walmart:confused: and I still wouldnt buy it if it were the #1 ever made, I just dont like sonys look just like alpine, not to say they arnt good headunits but I dont like the looks:p:

 
They dont sell sony at walmart:confused: and I still wouldnt buy it if it were the #1 ever made, I just dont like sonys look just like alpine, not to say they arnt good headunits but I dont like the looks:p:
Don't try to back-track now...You mentioned the Sony name to indicate it was junk.

 
1. Why not buy your car audio from a retail store (not online)?

Everythings expensive these days, buying online saves so you can buy more/better product for the same dollar

2. Why not have a professional car audio retailer install your product?

Installation is half the fun, and once again, back to the money savings thing.

 
They dont sell sony at walmart:confused: and I still wouldnt buy it if it were the #1 ever made, I just dont like sonys look just like alpine, not to say they arnt good headunits but I dont like the looks:p:
LOL i bet you have no idea what it looks like..... its ok though

just saying that the market is established. you shake it up too much a lot of folks with major funds will A. Treat it like a hobby type business or B. Leave it. When enough Big companies and shops leave the biz, that leaves a major hole in the R and D for new QUALITY products. or is it cool to have 5 or six companies with the same amp boards selling "different" amps?

I cant dog people from trying to get the best they can with as little $ as they can but at the same time car audio shops invested in your area (argue it anyway you like) and instead of fighting with them or trying to play stump the chump try and get involved with them and talk (they more than likely like the audio as much as you do). Also you need to realize that many of the direct companies out there are also trying to become that next rockford, memphis and so on by gaining dealers and when they get enough dealers I seriously doubt they go direct anymore.

 
walmart sells what that is good in car audio? car audio shops dont sell groceries, towels, toys, garden equipment......
What I mean by my walmart example is that shops need to start dealing in higher volume sales rather than relying on doing a few big $$$ installs a year and making 200% profit on certain items to help keep them afloat.

If they can move merchandise quicker by pricing their stuff competitively, that's less overhead for them and more sales, which ='s more $$. Most shops I know of charge WAY WAY too much for something that can be had at a significantly less price somewhere online. I would gladly pay $50-75 more for an amp from a B&M store than online simply because of the convenience and the comfort of knowing that I have a manufacturer's warranty. But $200-400 more than internet prices? I'll take the risk and purchase online. Simply put, shops overhcharge for the products they sell. Most shops I see nowadays are making a large portion of their profits by selling such things as alarms, remote starts, and installation of products purchased outside the store. This is the bread and butter of their business now and will probably be that way for a long time. Another aspect is custom enclosures, fiberglass work, etc., but that is such a small portion of potential business compared to the average joe looking to just buy equipment and install it themselves.

Sure, you don't get the same service as a B&M shop when dealing with an online retailer, but with today's economy shops should be lucky to have any business at all over the internet stores.

 
ever think that the transshipers who sell at near dealer cost are defacing the value of the product? how is a shop buying more and selling for less less overhead? the cost of the product wont come down enough to warrant that. it would be more over head as they have to buy more in hopes of selling more. you would need 2 times++ as many sales to make the same amount. granted i started in car audio when $600 dollar amps were the norm for medium sized high end amps and subs were 300+ for quality but as a shop your "selling area" is not world wide. to a shop owner it is a business not a hobby. for them to warranty a product it costs the shop time and money. wal mart is a multi billion dollar chain store where most stereo shops buy much less and dont have warehouses storing millions of dollars in product.

a dealer also has to meet the terms set forth by the manufacturer. if they do not the product in most likelyhood wont be made avalible to the retail shop.

 
Just a couple quick questions.Please do not provide long winded experiences and just try to keep it short and sweet and label your answers 1 & 2 to correspond to the questions.

Maybe 1 line if possible.

1. Why not buy your car audio from a retail store (not online)?

2. Why not have a professional car audio retailer install your product?
1 people like to spend less money internet is the cheapest

2. its again cheaper to do it yourself, plus people like the satisfaction of "I did this"

 
1. If I buy something from a shop I am paying for the product the warranty and the information and knowledge of the shop and the ability to get it that day and leave with it. I buy in store if the warranty is void from buying online (if product is of good quality shouldn't need to worry about the waranty though) I usualy know more about the product than the guy selling the product so not going to pay for the info and knowledge that is less than my own. I can wait 3-5 days to get the product usualy.

2. I will install anything and build anything that I know I can do as well as the guy I am going t pay to do so... though If I can not do the quality of craftsmanship and cost is going to be less for them to build it than for me to learn how to do it and only need to do it the one time or is something I just don't like to do then I will pay some one to do something for me simple installs heck no I can do it better than they would do anyways its my car I will take more pride in it and know things wont be broken when finished and if they are I will just be mad at myself and know it couldn't be helped. not to mention gives me a reason to drink with some friends lol.gatta love summer projects.

 
1> The price is insane I used to by always from shops until i actually looked around and seen what was out there and the price difference. No warranty difference they lie say they will swap until it comes too it then you send it and wait for it to come back.

2> Again I used to have them install everything. Too many shotty install jobs. We are supposed pros but we cant get rid of your engine noise heard that from a couple shops. After tearing my old car apart myself seeing how they ran everything made me realize why pay so much when i can do it this bad

 
1. To SHOP for something, NOT be SOLD something2. Achievement
agreed.

the problem is (at least around here) that on LI theres plenty of rich people or kids with rich parents that know nothing about car audio, so there willing to pay the extra money for the equipment. they have no clue how to go about installing it themselves, so they'll pay even more for the install. that means, next time i go into the store looking for something and i try explaining that i can get the same product much cheaper online, they'll let me walk out the door because theres probably 10 other kids with rich parents that they can sell there products too.

 
ever think that the transshipers who sell at near dealer cost are defacing the value of the product? how is a shop buying more and selling for less less overhead? the cost of the product wont come down enough to warrant that. it would be more over head as they have to buy more in hopes of selling more. you would need 2 times++ as many sales to make the same amount. granted i started in car audio when $600 dollar amps were the norm for medium sized high end amps and subs were 300+ for quality but as a shop your "selling area" is not world wide. to a shop owner it is a business not a hobby. for them to warranty a product it costs the shop time and money. wal mart is a multi billion dollar chain store where most stereo shops buy much less and dont have warehouses storing millions of dollars in product. a dealer also has to meet the terms set forth by the manufacturer. if they do not the product in most likelyhood wont be made avalible to the retail shop.
As I stated before, this is a problem between the shops and the manufacturers. We as consumers shouldn't feel guilty for searching for the best deal. End of story.

Once again, walmart is just an example. Obviously I don't expect a shop to be like walmart and sell billions of dollars of products a year. But here's some simple math:

A shop buys an amp for $400 from the manufacturer.

They mark it up 100% to $800 and only sell 4 a year. That's $1600 in profit.

Now they mark it up to only 50% and sell 10 a year since the cost to the consumer is less (and more likely closer to online prices). Thats $2000 in profit.

That trend TENDS to continue as their prices go down. There aren't any guarantees of course, but if shops want to move product faster they have to be competitive.

Granted that is an extremely plain and simple example, but that's just the point I'm trying to make. I probably used "less overhead" in the wrong context; I was trying to show that shops would less likely have equipment sitting around for years and years that goes unsold because their prices are too high. Yes they will have to buy more products because they will be moving more stuff, but with the way shops are now, I walk into the same shop every year or so and see the same exact shit sitting on the shelves because they can't move the stuff. Their prices are always so god d*mn high. You can't make money on the stuff if you don't sell it, and that's the overhead I'm referring to.

Do you think walmart started off as a billion dollar corporation? Come on. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

But the bolded and underlined part is the point I really want to drive home.

 
The only time I used to buy from a local B&M was a few years ago when I knew the owner/installers at a local shop. And only because I got pretty good deals. I got an Eclipse 8443 display model for $250 with a 3 year warranty. Some new Focal K2P's for $700(about 100-150 more than ebay, but 300 less than msrp). I also got a new pair of the 1st generation Xtant 12" hex cones for $250...Used them for 2.5-3 years and sold them for the same price.

 
Ok, back to the topic and two questions please.Tommy, I'll see you in Indy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Sorry john, got a little off track there. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

And yes, can't wait!

 
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