Why don't competitors use pro audio subs?

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

Although if you stopped reading at line 1, I would be entertained to hear your response to this;

What is even more entertaining, is that you pretend that I somehow brought the conversation completely off topic, when in the post directly following mine (which you claim was in no way related to my post, ) you also bring in the topic of power handling. So you are just as "guilty" as I am, according to your own admissions, for bringing completely off topic and irrelevant information into the thread (which would make your persistent bashing of me for this hypocritical). Because either 1) you brought power into the topic independent of my post, as you claim, which would mean it was completely off topic and irrelevant to the initial topic, or 2) you brought power up because of my post, which is contradictory to what you have previously said because according to you, your post wasn't a response to mine.

So, according to your own statements, either you are as guilty as I and are acting hypocritically or you admittedly misconstrued the purposes of your own postings.

You're right. You didn't quote it. Yet you directly commented on it. Or were you pulling power handling completely out of thin are on an off-topic and irrelevant rant? Because those are your two alternatives, one makes you a hypocrite and the other makes you a liar. So, which is it?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Again, you're ultimate confusion of the entire thread.
My comments;

Power handling/output =/= highest output

This simple concept of me commenting on posts within the thread, completely eludes you still.

I have to admit, now I AM confused. Your little diagram eludes me. Again Im asking, in a thread on speaker efficiency, how is your comment that increasing system efficiency is the best method to increase output relevant? We could assume, in a perfect world, that a system is already built that has the most efficient install possible. The debate over using a higher efficiency pro audio driver or a lower efficiency car audio SPL speaker would still exist.
At least you are getting the concise part right. Now you just need to work on the content.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Although if you stopped reading at line 1, I would be entertained to hear your response to this;
What is even more entertaining, is that you pretend that I somehow brought the conversation completely off topic, when in the post directly following mine (which you claim was in no way related to my post, ) you also bring in the topic of power handling. So you are just as "guilty" as I am, according to your own admissions, for bringing completely off topic and irrelevant information into the thread (which would make your persistent bashing of me for this hypocritical). Because either 1) you brought power into the topic independent of my post, as you claim, which would mean it was completely off topic and irrelevant to the initial topic, or 2) you brought power up because of my post, which is contradictory to what you have previously said because according to you, your post wasn't a response to mine.

So, according to your own statements, either you are as guilty as I and are acting hypocritically or you admittedly misconstrued the purposes of your own postings.

You're right. You didn't quote it. Yet you directly commented on it. Or were you pulling power handling completely out of thin are on an off-topic and irrelevant rant? Because those are your two alternatives, one makes you a hypocrite and the other makes you a liar. So, which is it?

Minus points for conciseness. Minus points for having no clear point. Minus points for making a post with no other reason than to appear still being butt hurt because you felt threatened that you might have "mildly" been disagreed with. Your score is going down. Try harder.

 

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

I have to admit, now I AM confused. Your little diagram eludes me.

Apparently not difficult to accomplish.

Again Im asking, in a thread on speaker efficiency, how is your comment that increasing system efficiency is the best method to increase output relevant?

Again, I will tell you that that was an example, and the overall point was targeted at those who determine "best" based on power handling.

Thus my initial comment was;

Power handling/output =/= highest output

If this extremely simple, extremely concisely stated comment still eludes you there is nothing more I can say. Right now you are playing blind man for the simple sake of not admitting your idiocy. Commenting on posts made within a thread that do not stringently adhere to the original topic is permitted, regardless of whether or not you admit it or that it makes your side of the argument fall flat on it's face.

Now you just need to work on the content.

You seriously need to work on comprehension skills.

 

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

Minus points for conciseness. Minus points for having no clear point. Minus points for making a post with no other reason than to appear still being butt hurt because you felt threatened that you might have "mildly" been disagreed with. Your score is going down. Try harder.

Minus points for not answering the clearly stated questions. Minus points for avoiding questions which point out your obvious flaws. Minus points for having obvious flaws in your argument. It appears you avoid questions when they exploit the obvious flaws in your logic and demonstrate your lack of coherency. Your score is going down. Try harder. So far, you fail in this thread.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Again, I will tell you that that was an example, and the overall point was targeted at those who determine "best" based on power handling.

Wow your thick skull is amazing. Or, maybe you are intentionally being dense to, again, avoid admittance of a mistake and hope people wont notice. Once again I guess I need to point out that your example, of raising system efficiency 3db, is an aside factor in the discussion at hand... speaker efficiency. And apparently MY example of the perfect world in which the most efficient install possible is created eludes you. You may have been targeting people who falsely claim power handling is an end-all spec in performance (which i agree with you on, power handling looked at in a vacuum tells us little or nothing in regards to potential output), but your example was to raise system efficiency. System efficiency is not the topic of this thread. Say it with me.... system efficiency is not the topic of this thread. And once more for your impervious skull... system efficiency is not the topic of this thread. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Thus my initial comment was;
Power handling/output =/= highest output

If this extremely simple, extremely concisely stated comment still eludes you there is nothing more I can say.

Oh I get the 'does not equal highest output' part, its the power "handling/output" part that could be interpreted more than one way. Im not even going to guess as to its meaning, since its so far off topic, and Im thoroughly convinced at this point that it is intentionally so, that it deserves no more of my time trying to interpret. I simply read it as: "muddy the discussion to avoid the point that Ctes is off topic and arguing semantics".

Commenting on posts made within a thread that do not stringently adhere to the original topic is permitted, regardless of whether or not you admit it or that it makes your side of the argument fall flat on it's face.

Oh sure, make all the off-topic points you want. Just be prepared to have someone tell you they are not what the subject of the thread is about, and thus are a moot point. In a discussion about speaker efficiency, you beating the drum of increasing system efficiency really has no purpose here. See my example of discussing engine horsepower, only to have someone step in and suggest changing gear ratios is a better way to increase speed. They are two different topics. I guess you could have come here and started discussing competitors work harder at aligning their system with their vehicle's transfer function as well, as that's an example of increasing system efficiency, but it has nothing to do with the discussion on raw speaker efficiency. So by all means, keep touting your off-topic and irrelevant point, its good for a laugh.

Minus points for not answering the clearly stated questions. Minus points for avoiding questions which point out your obvious flaws. Minus points for having obvious flaws in your argument. It appears you avoid questions when they exploit the obvious flaws in your logic and demonstrate your lack of coherency. Your score is going down. Try harder. So far, you fail in this thread.

Minus points for lack of originality. Minus points for still trying to veer the topic off in the direction you wish it to head rather than staying with the topic at hand. And minus points for lack of originality. Yes, I gave you minus points on originality twice, because you deserve a double minus in this regard.

Right now you are playing blind man for the simple sake of not admitting your idiocy.

That's a pretty ironic statement, considering the source. And once again, minus points for lack of originality, considering Ive been making the point that that's exactly what you've been doing all day.
So now that that is over with, care to explain how 'increase system efficiency' is relevant to the topic of 'why dont SPL competitors use higher efficiency pro audio drivers'...? Of course you wont, because its too much to the point and shows your fundamentally flawed argument for what it is, irrelevant. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif Hey I know, lets discuss vehicle types for SPL installs next... it has as much to do with the discussion on speaker efficiency as does your statements on system efficiency. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Apparently not difficult to accomplish.

Oh gosh, now you are just trying to hurt my feelings. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif

 

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

Wow your thick skull is amazing.

I don't know about my skull as I've never tested it, but every salon I go to has told me I have extremely thick hair //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

Or, maybe you are intentionally being dense to, again, avoid admittance of a mistake and hope people wont notice.

Again, no mistake in need of admittance.

Once again I guess I need to point out that your example, of raising system efficiency 3db, is an aside factor in the discussion at hand... speaker efficiency.

Um, no. It was directly related to the discussion I was having at the moment relating to the inefficiency of increasing power as opposed to other factors.

And apparently MY example of the perfect world in which the most efficient install possible is created eludes you.

Hypotheticals are all fine and dandy, unless you want to actually discuss the real world.

You may have been targeting people who falsely claim power handling is an end-all spec in performance

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but your example was to raise system efficiency. System efficiency is not the topic of this thread.

Nor did I ever exclaim it to be. Say it with me.... Ctesibius never said the topic of the thread was system efficiency.

And once more for your impervious skull... Ctesibius never said the topic of the thread was system efficiency. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Oh I get the 'does not equal highest output' part, its the power "handling/output" part that could be interpreted more than one way.

It was short hand for "power handling or (amplifier) power output".

I simply read it as: "muddy the discussion to avoid the point that Ctes is off topic and arguing semantics".

Arguing semantics? All you've done in this thread is argue semantics as you argue with me about topics you don't actually disagree with me on.

Oh sure, make all the off-topic points you want. Just be prepared to have someone tell you they are not what the subject of the thread is about, and thus are a moot point.

Point it out all you want as I never indicated it was the topic of the thread. Thus you are a moot point.

In a discussion about speaker efficiency, you beating the drum of increasing system efficiency really has no purpose here.

You are a fucking idiot. Seriously, there is no polite way to say it. That was a singular example. The entire point of my initial involvement in this thread was to point out that having higher power handling doesn't inherently mean it's louder. This seems to completely escape your grasp. You keep rambling on and on about my mention of system efficiency.....but sadly that really has little to do with my initial post. Do you always piss into the wind?

See my example of discussing engine horsepower, only to have someone step in and suggest changing gear ratios is a better way to increase speed.

If you would have actually read my response, you would have seen that I've already used your example to demonstrate that you really haven't comprehended this thread. Go back, reread. You may actually learn something.

They are two different topics. I guess you could have come here and started discussing competitors work harder at aligning their system with their vehicle's transfer function as well, as that's an example of increasing system efficiency, but it has nothing to do with the discussion on raw speaker efficiency. So by all means, keep touting your off-topic and irrelevant point, its good for a laugh.

Keep demonstrating your inability to grasp a simple concept and admit your idiocy. That is laughable. Keep grabbing at straws if you wish, but it isn't doing anything to help your case.

Minus points for lack of originality. Minus points for still trying to veer the topic off in the direction you wish it to head rather than staying with the topic at hand. And minus points for lack of originality. Yes, I gave you minus points on originality twice, because you deserve a double minus in this regard.

You still haven't answered my question. Are you a hypocrite or a liar?

That's a pretty ironic statement, considering the source. And once again, minus points for lack of originality, considering Ive been making the point that that's exactly what you've been doing all day.

You saying "I'm rubber your glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you" doesn't change the fact that my statement was an extremely accurate description of your behavior.

So now that that is over with, care to explain how 'increase system efficiency' is relevant to the topic of 'why dont SPL competitors use higher efficiency pro audio drivers'...?

Care to explain why you can't seem to grasp that my posts weren't directly related to that topic?

See my previous posts about the ability of a member to comment on others posts even if it isn't directly related to the initial topic.

Of course you wont, because its too much to the point and shows your fundamentally flawed argument for what it is, irrelevant.

To the contrary, you've demonstrated your inability to admit you've been wrong for 4 pages //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Hey I know, lets discuss vehicle types for SPL installs next... it has as much to do with the discussion on speaker efficiency as does your statements on system efficiency.

Hey, next lets try to contort someone elses statement and interpret them to say something they haven't, then argue with them about the statements they didn't make when I don't actually disagree with what they did state (hence the reason I'm misconstruing their posts, so I have a reason to continue arguing rather than admitting I'm wrong). Oh, wait....that's all you've done this thread. Sounds like this next conversation will be right up your alley!

 

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

And with that, I am exiting this thread as I've had to (yet again) restate the exact same statements to audioholic in several different posts and he still refuses to accept the truth due to his inability to view himself as being wrong. As indicated by his unwillingness to answer my question as to whether he is a self-admitted hypocrite or liar based on his own postings.

 

[njaykaplan 10+ year member]

Don't stop, i have another 40 minutes until i get off of work.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

And once more for your impervious skull... Ctesibius never said the topic of the thread was system efficiency. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

So you've decided to admit you were rambling off topic, you just refuse to go so far as to admit YOUR topic has NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread, or the 'dingleberrys' you quoted to start your little tirade on system efficiency. That is sooooo you. lol

And with that, I am exiting this thread as I've had to (yet again) restate the exact same statements to audioholic in several different posts and he still refuses to accept the truth due to his inability to view himself as being wrong. As indicated by his unwillingness to answer my question as to whether he is a self-admitted hypocrite or liar based on his own postings.

Blah blah blah. Same old shit from you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif Im sure anyone who reads this who understands the topic will understand the fundamental difference between the thread topic, and YOUR topic. But whatever keeps your ego in tact, fragile as it may be.
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[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

If the thread won't die, then the participants must kill themselves.

Please die.

 

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

Sorry, felt compelled to respond to this.

Blah blah blah. Same old shit from you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif Im sure anyone who reads this who understands the topic will understand the fundamental difference between the thread topic, and YOUR topic. But whatever keeps your ego in tact, fragile as it may be.
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And again, you avoid the question at hand. Either YOU went completely off-topic about irrelevant nonsense by making your post about power handling, thus making you a hypocrite. Or, you lied about your post not being a direct response to my post. Thus you are a liar. So, which is it? You've continued to avoid this question. Which is it? Are you a hypocrite or a liar? Those are the only two options, and you are self-admittedly atleast one of them (though you could also be both). But which one?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Sorry, felt compelled to respond to this.

And again, you avoid the question at hand. Either YOU went completely off-topic about irrelevant nonsense by making your post about power handling, thus making you a hypocrite. Or, you lied about your post not being a direct response to my post. Thus you are a liar. So, which is it? You've continued to avoid this question. Which is it? Are you a hypocrite or a liar? Those are the only two options, and you are self-admittedly atleast one of them (though you could also be both). But which one?

Awwww, you 'felt compelled' to come back because you *think* you have an angle you *might* win on. Too bad for you that you dont. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif "Power handling" referred to the raw driver itself, not your off-topic nonsense about the 'system'. Nice try, now you are welcome to try your 'Im leaving this thread now blah blah' routine again. And dont bother to come back unless YOU decide to answer the direct question of how SYSTEM efficiency relates to the topic of this thread, SPEAKER efficiency. Dont let the door hit you in the *** on your way out. Ciao. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wave.gif.002382ce7d7c19757ab945cc69819de1.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

If the thread won't die, then the participants must kill themselves.
Please die.

Dont worry, we've been through this before. He will find some excuse to think he can slink out of the thread without admitting he was wrong while still saving face in his own mind. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

"Power handling" referred to the raw driver itself, not your off-topic nonsense about the 'system'.

Interesting, so your off-topic irrelevant comments make you a hypocrite. Thank you. That's what I wanted to know. Though you are also a liar as it's pretty easy to see by the chronology and content of the postings that your post was infact a direct response to mine.....but you're not ready to admit that one yet. So we won't press the issue for fear that admitting your errors will likely cause your self-worth to become dangerously low.

Nice try, now you are welcome to try your 'Im leaving this thread now blah blah' routine again. And dont bother to come back unless YOU decide to answer the direct question of how SYSTEM efficiency relates to the topic of this thread, SPEAKER efficiency. Dont let the door hit you in the *** on your way out. Ciao. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wave.gif.002382ce7d7c19757ab945cc69819de1.gif

Don't bother to respond until you comprehend that your babblings about system efficiency is almost completely unrelated to my original point. It was a minor example of the larger picture, but you can't help but focus on that insignificant detail because it's the only leg holding up your straw man. Don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out. Ciao //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wave.gif.002382ce7d7c19757ab945cc69819de1.gif