i have to say, that all you clowns that hate on JL for no real reason are just retarded. JL protects it's sellers unlike all the other companies out there. JL started out as the mom and pop store brand and only sold to mom and pop stores. JL protected their prices and refused to sell to big box b/c they wanted to be the choice of true car audio enthusiast. needless to say that the mom and pop stores screwed JL over and started selling product for below retail on the net and sending back all products no matter what the condition. JL went to big box retailers b/c of the money and you can't hate on that. No matter what you guys think about JL, they did what any other company would have done. If Fi, DD, DC, etc.. or any other company could get as big and profitable as Alpine, JL, or Rockford they'd do it in a heartbeat. Over priced or not, Don't hate the playa hate the game.