Why do ppl hate on JL?

[turnstylez18 10+ year member]

how come the w3? and why was the type r compared to the w6 in the first place?

 

[Mackenzie 10+ year member]

I have no idea why the tpye r was compared with the w6v2's. Both are good subs, but are in 2 different leagues. As for why i choose the jl w3's over the alpine type r's, is basicly because I personally think jl is better in the woofer department then alpine is. Alpine makes good products thats for sure. Just go with the one you think looks better/ or the one you can get the best deal on.

 

[turnstylez18 10+ year member]

im probably gonna go for a 12w3 and a jl e1400d amp. and then later on get a jlw6...

my problem is finding them for the best price in canada

 

[title&registrat 10+ year member]

i think one thing about jl users is a lot of kids with jl just have their parents go buy them some subs, if they are lucky they throw some infinity or sony xplod or alpine door speakers in, half of the equipment isn't half bad, but i think that a lot of the kids just get the stuff and aren't intelligent about installs, and so they make JL look bad. but I think a lot of JL and other big name brands have very good equipment, its just mainstream stuff isn't seen as often installed correctly as say, the RE, adire, eD, SS, or other equipment that mainly CA hobbyists use, people who spend their time reading and working with CA

 

[JLCivic 10+ year member]

i think one thing about jl users is a lot of kids with jl just have their parents go buy them some subs, if they are lucky they throw some infinity or sony xplod or alpine door speakers in, half of the equipment isn't half bad, but i think that a lot of the kids just get the stuff and aren't intelligent about installs, and so they make JL look bad. but I think a lot of JL and other big name brands have very good equipment, its just mainstream stuff isn't seen as often installed correctly as say, the RE, adire, eD, SS, or other equipment that mainly CA hobbyists use, people who spend their time reading and working with CA

I see your point, but any equipment can be used in a poor install(ED, JL, Alpine, etc). I have seen MANY "newbies" have the lesser known stuff recommended and then be told "oh just install it yourself" only to find their subs and or amps fried due to lack of installation knowledge(or using the wrong box for the sub, etc).

One could argue that the mainstream stuff might more often be properly installed(if, as you say, mommy and daddy are paying for it, they might certainly be paying for installs as well). Sure there are people who have zero clue and have never used JL who will scream that JL is the best. There are also people(I have seen many of them on the forums) who will say JL sucks without having never used it(or they will preach how great ED/Adire/whoever is without using that equipment). I have seen ED hyped so much that one model of their subs was being recommended months before the sub was actually released to the public. Internet hype is crazy(not saying ED or any other brand makes crappy stuff, just saying, in many cases, the hype is not yet justified).

I would not necessarily say that car audio enthusiasts are more likely to use less known brands either. Some do, some don't. Like I mentioned earlier, I use what sounds good to my ears(I also am great friends with the owners of the local shop, and I get very nice discounts on equipment that they sell). I don't like taking chances on equipment. If I can't hear it/touch it first, I am not very likely to just order speakers/subs online.

Parents can buy the RE/ED/Adire stuff too. I think, to many on the forums, the perception is that is just isn't cool to use "mainstream" products. Some have the attitude that "if you know what you are doing then you wouldn't use JL/RF/whatever other "mainstream brand." Like I said, JL's reputation is there for a reason. JL has been incredibly reliable for the local shop(by "incredibly reliable," I mean last I knew, they had 2 12W3s come back blown EVER). Those are the ONLY jl subs that have come back to them, blown(and they have sold a ton of JL subs in the past 4 years). It is easy to see why dealers want to sell the stuff. The local shop just sells it, it sounds good, and it doesn't come back. It is also easy for them to get. There are no 6 month back orders/delays on the subs.

What I find funny is many of the people who will look down upon those who use JL will also run such "mainstream" brands as Alpine or Pioneer. That is just an observation from being on several forums for the past 3-4 years.

Some may think JL's retail pricing is too high, but also, I have seen many cases where people are getting great deals on w7s, w3v2s, w6v2s, etc through authorized dealers.

JL is worth looking it. If somebody thinks they get the same(or nearly the same) performance from another brand, buy it, but looking down on people who run JL is idiotic(that is not directed at anyone inparticular...just a general comment).

 

[klassic 10+ year member]

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These IS the point.

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Um yeah $1600 in bodykit parts from germany and labor

$1000 in tires

even more on wheels

a few bucks on audio/video with all Diamond speakers and PG titanium amp

not to mention performance and suspension parts and the car itself but I'LL BE DARNED if I could only afford a W7 and a 1000/1 //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif

And the point was what?

 

[the_noob 10+ year member]

^huh?

 

[klassic 10+ year member]

^huh?

Re: Why do ppl hate on JL?

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Originally Posted by cjjackson85

Because they can't afford it...

These IS the point.

More so responding to this part. Cant I just hate on JL because I can, its not like buying a $500 speaker or $700 amp is trying to purchase a Porsche besides this gives me an opportunity for the 1rst and last time to post my car on this forum //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[the_noob 10+ year member]

LOL You just wanted to show off, didn't you?

 

[lotas 10+ year member]

heck I bet more people have RE on here than JL

personally I own both //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[tRiGgEr 5,000+ posts]

heck I bet more people have RE on here than JL
personally I own both //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I've owned JL now own RE. I still don't see a reasone to "hate" on JL. You will find the largest bandwagons are the most retarded //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

[turnstylez18 10+ year member]

i wouldnt mind checking out other brands...i would want an re sx or oz audio me...but i dont know where to find it in toronto...i dont want to buy online if its in states cuz of customs..

 

[klassic 10+ year member]

LOL You just wanted to show off, didn't you?

yeah lol. quite honestly I'm indifferent to JL audio. They make stuff I'd use (W7, W6v2) and stuff I wouldn't use (everything else) but thats pretty much sums up how I feel about most companies. I think they are a great subwoofer company but just okay at other stuff.

 

[Spkrman]

I will go ahead and say that the alpine type r doesnt even remotely compare, when both are setup correctly. The w6v2 has much better impact, smoother repsonse, and hits way lower then the alpine type r. I work at a custom audio shop that sells both of them, so I can say that ive heard them both in pretty much every setup. If i were comparing something to the type r 12 then it would be the infinity kappa/ kappa perfects, although I still think the infinitys are clearer, and hit lower octaves. The type r's are decent.

the R sounds trashy sealed... which is where i assume you draw your comparison.

In that situation - your right.

Ported box is where the R really comes alive.

 

[ronnorth10304 10+ year member]

for the djs out there...u see neone hating on 1200s?

I'm a Dj and I see a lot of vestax, and numark fanbodys hatin' on the 1200's, but I know and most of the DJ's out there know that you can't touch the technics