Why can't I call....

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

I'm against the darkies, but I'm //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/inlove.gif.6846f78f06b405429ef3a00129788a2a.gif with Devill...... what am I to do?!

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

(I say we omit it from the english language altogether, since all its use does is serve as a reminder of the derogatory nature with which it was once and sometimes still is used..

best.idea.ever.

 

[Wonderbread 5,000+ posts]

Racism is the process of benefitting from being a superior group. IE whites can be racist because they benefit from it. No blacks can be racist because they do not benefit from their race, whereas whites do.

All peoples can be prejudice though.

Wrong, try again. Racism is a form of prejudice. "Racism refers to a belief system that humans can be separated into various groups based on physical attributes and that these groupings determine cultural or individual achievement." Racism has nothing to do with benefiting or not benefiting from ones place in some perceived stratification of social organization. Blacks can be racist just as whites, Latinos, or Asians can be racist. If they believe that there exists different races differently capable or fundamentally superior or inferior to other "races" then they are racist.

If people would come to the realization that race is a socially constructed term, and has been systematically implanted since slavery was started, in order to create this appearance of "white" and seperate from the blacks, in order to divide and conquer.

Undoubtedly the smartest thing I've ever heard you say. Absolutely correct and actually a pretty simple concept in academic circles.

*SNIP*

Hating each other doesn't make anyone's situation any better, and gets people nowhere. It is only until we can open our eyes and see that we are all truly equal, and that each life has it's own value to each person, that we can truly strike down the racism and hate in America. Only until people are willing to open their prejudice and racist minds and accept the fact that we are all equal people striving for the same thing..to provide for our family and do the best with what we have, that we can all get along.

Also surprisingly intuitive. I'm impressed. Perhaps I underestimated you.

So next time you say that there is a difference between white and blacks, remember that your government whom you love so much, has had a few hundred years of practice of implementing racism into white thoughts, and has created your hate.

Don't try and claim that it's entirely the government's fault. If it was, you would have to argue that virtually every state on earth is, and has been, ruled by governments with similar ends through human history; that represents a rather problematic argument. Remember that not only was racism institutionalized in virtually every state, people allowed it happen. They chose to accept it and embrace it as an answer. Worrying about who to blame is, in my opinion hardly worthwhile. So long as we can accept that racism exists and is a fundamentally constructe division in society, we can work to change it; this is by far the most important thing.

I'm sure I have more to say, but I'll err on the side of not boring you all too badly.

 

[RandyJ 10+ year member]

I believe Marley needs to cite his works....

Also, the studies that show that black children just plain ol' don't/can't/won't learn the same as whites is all made up by the government? And you honestly feel that the ones conducting the studies are racist?

My lord, there are some severely troubled people on this forum //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

Wrong, try again. Racism is a form of prejudice. "Racism refers to a belief system that humans can be separated into various groups based on physical attributes and that these groupings determine cultural or individual achievement." Racism has nothing to do with benefiting or not benefiting from ones place in some perceived stratification of social organization. Blacks can be racist just as whites, Latinos, or Asians can be racist. If they believe that there exists different races differently capable or fundamentally superior or inferior to other "races" then they are racist.

Actually you are wrong. Take an Ethnic studies course and you will see. Racism is hatred that benefits from being white. IE-Whites can look down on blacks for not being black, but blacks can never say to a white person he is less because he is white.

Racism- The systematic oppression of a people, and benefitting from being white. Racism is the institutions and social constructions that differ us. It is also benefitting from "whiteness". No black can be racist because they do not benefit from being white, or benefit from their race.

Prejudice- more one-on-one, and focuses more on the individual, and hateful acts towards them, but can also include groups as well. There is no benefitting from race.

This is of course according to Ethnic Studies and Women Studies' scholars and professors, so argue with them.

And yes, I can be smart. "Never let your enemies know your true self."

Kinda surprising, huh? The "druggie" actually knows something...

Nooblet-

"Racial Formations"=Omi and Winant

"Constructing Race, Creativng White Privilege" =Buck

"The Social Construction of Difference:Race, Class,Gender, and Sexuality"

"Defining Racism: Can we Talk?"= Tatum

"White Privilege:Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack"= McIntosh

Google those articles if you wish by those authors last names.

The studies showing black children being less intelligent often are very skewed, and are deliberately looking for those conclusions. They ignore classism/racism/ location of living/ quality of living/ family income/ schools attended.

There are studies that are more general and truthful, which look at intelligence as in regards to wealth, and those show the less wealthy you are, the less intelligent. Since there are more black people who are poor, than there are whites, it does not surprise me that there are articles that come out saying black people are stupid, or whatever you'd like to say.

I thought you had a black g/f? I'd figure you of all people would be able to see the systematic oppression going on.

 

[Expy2K 10+ year member]

There are studies that are more general and truthful, which look at intelligence as in regards to wealth, and those show the less wealthy you are, the less intelligent. Since there are more black people who are poor, than there are whites, it does not surprise me that there are articles that come out saying black people are stupid, or whatever you'd like to say.

Tons of poor white people in Eastern Europe, and they still outscore wealthy Blacks in America and in Europe.

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[RandyJ 10+ year member]

I do have a black girlfriend, I also have a past, a very detailed one at that in which I had no white friends.

I just cannot reply to this. I try but I find it very hard to argue an opinion on here. You seem a little too high-strung and taught, feeling that everything is going wrong for the black people.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

I do have a black girlfriend, I also have a past, a very detailed one at that in which I had no white friends.
I just cannot reply to this. I try but I find it very hard to argue an opinion on here. You seem a little too high-strung and taught, feeling that everything is going wrong for the black people.

Far from it. I'm merely speaking what I feel. I don't think there is nearly as much racism today as there has been in the past, but I still believe it exists. I don't believe everything is going wrong for black people, but I do feel there are those in power that wish to keep things the way it used to be.

Tons of poor white people in Eastern Europe, and they still outscore wealthy Blacks in America and in Europe.





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Right along the studies that show white people are the "superior" race...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

My only position is that I am anti affirmative action. We create racism to solve a problem caused by racism. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Expy2K 10+ year member]

Right along the studies that show white people are the "superior" race...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Superior no, but people are superior by gene pools yes..

African Blacks and score higher in verbal skills > anyone else, but a small group of Jews, I forget from where, score the highest..

Central Asians in analitical thinking > anyone else

South Americans in Algebra > anyone else

and there are others..

 

[Wonderbread 5,000+ posts]

Actually you are wrong. Take an Ethnic studies course and you will see. Racism is hatred that benefits from being white. IE-Whites can look down on blacks for not being black, but blacks can never say to a white person he is less because he is white.
Racism- The systematic oppression of a people, and benefitting from being white. Racism is the institutions and social constructions that differ us. It is also benefitting from "whiteness". No black can be racist because they do not benefit from being white, or benefit from their race.

Prejudice- more one-on-one, and focuses more on the individual, and hateful acts towards them, but can also include groups as well. There is no benefitting from race.

This is of course according to Ethnic Studies and Women Studies' scholars and professors, so argue with them.

I take issue with the definitions you're using. The problem is that those definitions have a degree of prejudice built in - ie: whites supress everyone else. If the definition is initially set up in this manner, you can make any argument you want, but it'll follow this framework.

Try a less biases definition and you'll find a less biased viewpoint. Try the definition given by Princenton University, "# S: racism (the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races)

# S: racism, racialism, racial discrimination (discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race)"

Eerily similar to what I gave initially, eh?

I'm not saying that white's are necessarily innocent in any way. What I am saying is, if you preclude other groups from acting in a definitionaly racist manner, then that's a form of prejudice as well. Anyone and everyone can be "racist", so long as they believe that there is a fundamental difference between "races" with these differences resulting in some sort of heirachical organization of society and nature, regardless of the orientation or direction therein.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Anyone and everyone can be "racist", so long as they believe that there is a fundamental difference between "races" with these differences resulting in some sort of heirachical organization of society and nature, regardless of the orientation or direction therein.

What if you just believe there is a difference between the races and because it isn't mathematically calculable, there is no real hierachy (superiority/inferiority)

 

[wilzyx 5,000+ posts]

But I even teh c0ck????

oh and racism is bad

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

I take issue with the definitions you're using. The problem is that those definitions have a degree of prejudice built in - ie: whites supress everyone else. If the definition is initially set up in this manner, you can make any argument you want, but it'll follow this framework.
Try a less biases definition and you'll find a less biased viewpoint. Try the definition given by Princenton University, "# S: racism (the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races)

# S: racism, racialism, racial discrimination (discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race)"

Eerily similar to what I gave initially, eh?

I'm not saying that white's are necessarily innocent in any way. What I am saying is, if you preclude other groups from acting in a definitionaly racist manner, then that's a form of prejudice as well. Anyone and everyone can be "racist", so long as they believe that there is a fundamental difference between "races" with these differences resulting in some sort of heirachical organization of society and nature, regardless of the orientation or direction therein.

Yeah, I see that definition. When you look at history though, and who created racism, it was white people. You can track the creation of "whiteness" and "race" since the induction of slavery, which is why I choose an inheritly biased standpoint in my definition. I do believe race was created by white people, for the benefit of white people.

Superior no, but people are superior by gene pools yes..
African Blacks and score higher in verbal skills > anyone else, but a small group of Jews, I forget from where, score the highest..

Central Asians in analitical thinking > anyone else

South Americans in Algebra > anyone else

and there are others..

Ah, gotcha.

 

[AVSTANG02]

**** em.

I couldn't care less..

I often use the word ****** and I will blatantly let everyone around me kno I don't give a ****. Unless you have proven to me you deserve my respect i'm gonna call you whatever the **** I want.

****** is a white man's word.. Who said they could use it?

I've been so insulted and dis-respected by black people my whole life I couldn't give any less of a thought to me offending them.

Actually that goes the same way for any nationality.. My whole life everyone has been so ****in rude I don't give anyone the respect they think they deserve until they prove to me they deserve it.