Why are capaciters no good?

[The HACKER 10+ year member]

How are you even gonna try to say "gtfo" when I experienced it first hand every single time, no dimming no voltage drops nothing...Until you've seen it first hand then i could see u trying to say it doesnt work. Anywho to the OP ive seen it work time and time again the low thousand watt systems are good with big three and a decent cap. Personally i wouldnt listen to anyone who likes goin by "bubba" or "gumper".

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

How are you even gonna try to say "gtfo" when I experienced it first hand every single time, no dimming no voltage drops nothing...Until you've seen it first hand then i could see u trying to say it doesnt work. Anywho to the OP ive seen it work time and time again the low thousand watt systems are good with big three and a decent cap. Personally i wouldnt listen to anyone who likes goin by "bubba" or "gumper".

Your right, what do I know... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[FurbiesAndBeans 10+ year member]

How are you even gonna try to say "gtfo" when I experienced it first hand every single time, no dimming no voltage drops nothing...Until you've seen it first hand then i could see u trying to say it doesnt work. Anywho to the OP ive seen it work time and time again the low thousand watt systems are good with big three and a decent cap. Personally i wouldnt listen to anyone who likes goin by "bubba" or "gumper".

He said GTFO because you don't know what ur talking about. A cap is only gonna bandaid your dimming problems by having the voltage drops be less thus "less" dimming but you're still dropping to the same level. Lets say ur normal resting voltage is 13.8 without a cap, then u drop to 12v. With a cap, ur resting voltage could be 13.2 or so, and ur still dropping to 12v but since it's a 1.2 drop instead of 1.8, then it's dimming less....

 

[The HACKER 10+ year member]

lmao dude im just saying when i had first messed with them it was cuz it would fix small voltage drops, no cap equalled serious drops dimming lights from even the dome, put a 3 farad in with the PR1.1000 (mephis) and boom it fixed it all, cousin has been running that setup for 2 1/2 years now on 1 ohm load only other thing we did was his big three. I would say it was a succesful solution??

 

[x732xandrew 10+ year member]

No, an upgraded battery is not all it takes to run 1300w. I ran a similar system with stock front batt, yellowtop in the trunk, and a 200A alt. Now the alt might have been a little bit of overkill, but I never had a bit of dimming. Minimum your going to want two batts, but optimally your going to want to upgrade your alt. Otherwise you'll likely just end up killing it.

Replacing the alt would be a giant pain in the ***. If I were to put an optima battery in the back would that be enough? Also how would I run two batterys? Wouldn't the one in the back just die after a while since its not being recharged like the one in the front? And all this for only 1300 watts? haha

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

It's not even that a cap will keep your voltage from dropping, it's the fact that the size of cap you would need to actually make a noticeable difference is immense compared to those little dinky caps they sell with the flashy lights and shit on them. There's been several actual tests and such that I've read, all pointing to the same thing, capacitors will not solve your problems and are essentially useless to the car audio world. (At least for what people want them to do).

Chaos you can believe me or not, I don't care, but maybe you should do some reading before you go spouting your mouth off about what you've "experienced".

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

Replacing the alt would be a giant pain in the ***. If I were to put an optima battery in the back would that be enough? Also how would I run two batterys? Wouldn't the one in the back just die after a while since its not being recharged like the one in the front? And all this for only 1300 watts? haha

Only 1300? 1300w is a lot of power man, that's over 100A at 12v, considering the fact that your alt is probably around 100A that would mean it would need to be 100% efficient just to supply full power to your amp, and that's ignoring the fact that your car needs some of that power. At a bare minimum you should have two good batteries and the big 3 done.

 

[The HACKER 10+ year member]

I said no voltage drops sorry what i meant was little to no voltage drops, .3 was his loss on that 3 farad cap on a heavy bassline. Im not saying use caps on 3 to 5 thousand watt systems what im saying is low one thousand watt systems dont need much, can you overkill it yes, you can always overkill on power but it isnt necessary at that low of wattage...

 

[Sir Swish 10+ year member]

Caps are only good if you have a proper electrical. They discharge much faster then a battery.

 

[The HACKER 10+ year member]

Okay well seriously im understand where your coming from, but explain to me how the voltage drops went from well over 2 volts to a .3 and dont insult my intelligence ive been in this longer then a day or two. I was giving my first hand knowledge with what he was asking. I dont agree with the extra batts and shit but id like to see what the supporting proof is, because id like to know.

 

[garrettpf 10+ year member]

A larger/better or 2nd battery will help only with the fact it is better at providing power to the amp when it is needed for longer then a cap will. The alt still has to charger either a battery or a cap. A cap is a bandaid, a larger/2nd battery is a cast. A better alt is a new carbon fiber bone //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif. the big 3 would be a skin graft.

If you install a 2nd battery you still need to run a cable to the back for charging. Grounding is very important too.

hope that helps.

 

[x732xandrew 10+ year member]

A larger/better or 2nd battery will help only with the fact it is better at providing power to the amp when it is needed for longer then a cap will. The alt still has to charger either a battery or a cap. A cap is a bandaid, a larger/2nd battery is a cast. A better alt is a new carbon fiber bone //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif. the big 3 would be a skin graft.
If you install a 2nd battery you still need to run a cable to the back for charging. Grounding is very important too.

hope that helps.

Yeah, I was wondering how to install the second battery. Are there any charts or tutorials on how to install the second battery? I'll put the optima in the front, and buy a kinetic for the back. Would that be sufficient?

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

Caps are only good if you have a proper electrical. They discharge much faster then a battery.

No. The amount that one of those shitty little 1F caps help is nothing. Like I said, the size of cap that you would need to actually make a difference is immense, 1F will do nothing. As far as bang for your buck, adding another battery will help 10x more. However you are correct, adding anything (batteries or caps) without first upgrading your alt will do nothing but strain it.

A larger/better or 2nd battery will help only with the fact it is better at providing power to the amp when it is needed for longer then a cap will. The alt still has to charger either a battery or a cap. A cap is a bandaid, a larger/2nd battery is a cast. A better alt is a new carbon fiber bone //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif. the big 3 would be a skin graft.
If you install a 2nd battery you still need to run a cable to the back for charging. Grounding is very important too.

hope that helps.

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[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

Yeah, I was wondering how to install the second battery. Are there any charts or tutorials on how to install the second battery? I'll put the optima in the front, and buy a kinetic for the back. Would that be sufficient?

Look man, I understand your new to this and your looking for someone to tell you "Yeah that will work great" but honestly 2 batts is the bare minimum for that system. 1300w may not seem like a lot to some, but that's because most of the people you hear from are running 1300w Sony amps which are nowhere near 1300w. A true 1300w is a ton of power for a stock electrical to produce. Your system is mainly 2 things, your battery bank and alternator. Upgrading one is good but without upgrading both your still going to be lacking. You can throw as many batts in there as you want but without a proper alternator it's not going to be ideal. Your going to strain your stock alt and definitely shorten it's life.

 

[x732xandrew 10+ year member]

Look man, I understand your new to this and your looking for someone to tell you "Yeah that will work great" but honestly 2 batts is the bare minimum for that system. 1300w may not seem like a lot to some, but that's because most of the people you hear from are running 1300w Sony amps which are nowhere near 1300w. A true 1300w is a ton of power for a stock electrical to produce. Your system is mainly 2 things, your battery bank and alternator. Upgrading one is good but without upgrading both your still going to be lacking. You can throw as many batts in there as you want but without a proper alternator it's not going to be ideal. Your going to strain your stock alt and definitely shorten it's life.

Yeah I get what youre saying, can you point me in the direction of the ho alternaters?