Why all the hate on W7's?

[newusername 10+ year member]

Um, the new owner of RE is Us Amps.......enough said i would think......that's one bad *** company owning another awesome company......it can only improve .....

you are confused.

the new majority stock holder of Resonant Engineering is also the majority stock owner of US Amps.

big difference.

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

Its a pretty penny, so if you dont like it dont buy it, iirc the w7 is winning trophies in a different ca competition .. The competition they were made for, sq

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Its a pretty penny, so if you dont like it dont buy it, iirc the w7 is winning trophies in a different ca competition .. The competition they were made for, sq

that's a bad argument, because the sub has very little to do with winning or losing an sq competition, and if we were judging on which was a better sub for that type of competition, we would be talking about the W6V2's, not the W7's.

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

that's a bad argument, because the sub has very little to do with winning or losing an sq competition, and if we were judging on which was a better sub for that type of competition, we would be talking about the W6V2's, not the W7's.

Not according to jl //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif .. And yes i know its all imaging and sound stage, but look at how many people have 5000-10000 components and choose w7's.. Valid point, not an arguement

 

[req 5,000+ posts]

please understand something:JL Audio did not say the svc 3 ohm coils are the best coils for every application; they said they were the best for their application.

you think there is no difference between a dvc2, dvc4, etc vc and yet you seem to forget one thing:

what 5 basic parameters are used to determine everything else?

- Mms: moving mass

- BL: motor force factor

- Re: DC resistance of the voice coil

- Sd: surface area of the cone

- Cms: compliance of the suspension

so if there is a change in Re, there will be a change in the rest of the parameters.

i am in no way a big fan of JL Audio, but get off the hate wagon and read through both the Marketing and the Anti-Marketing.

apparently you neglected to read my post. therefore this is redundant information. but thanks for listing it all. otherwise good information.

 

[NEXT 10+ year member]

Um, the new owner of RE is Us Amps.......enough said i would think......that's one bad *** company owning another awesome company......it can only improve .....

I would be willing to bet that in 3-5 years US Amps/RE that one of the will be in bad shape/ half the company they were, maybe both...............

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

apparently you neglected to read my post. therefore this is redundant information. but thanks for listing it all. otherwise good information.

heh, quite accurate you are //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

i didn't read it till now, but a change in the vc has more effect than just nominal impedance and former weight //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

also, from JL's standpoint, it's easier to justify the higher pricing when you consider:

7+ years of R&D

custom tooling

patent applications

of course, we don't care about that, but as a business, they are trying to make money, and despite an underlying hatred amongst several online forums, the W7's sell like hotcakes. must have done something right and i can't fault them for that //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

plus they are fun subs to listen to, all price complaints aside.

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

WAY OVER PRICED!
Any company who takes there stuff and profit is about 5 times how much it costs to make it. Can die.

Hey, they're just a business, trying to make money, trying to make a living.That's it.No matter what, there will be people who will purchase that product.

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

A: I never said noob praise made anything crappy, i said thats why i dont like having it. Id rather make somone doubletake when they have never heard of something. i feel special that way. wee //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/blush.gif.99bc659ee2012b7d826165e26fb5eebe.gif
B. 3ohm SVC being sound quality is plain marketing BS. versus DVC2 or DVC4 theres an extremly minimal difference in former weight, and nominal impedance. being 3ohm does not make it better or worse. just a pain in the *** for some installs.

C. i agree, custom tooling is espensive. but not $1000 each espensive. but i guess when everyone is made to believe they are the end all be all of speakerwoofers, they can charge whatever they want huh?

D. oh, by all means its quite creative. and it looks nice too. but i care not about creativity and looks when i want performance and ease of use. those **** rings are fragile, if you kink\bend them on accident, you pretty much need to get new ones or try and bend them back into place. the surround is foam, so you have to be careful not to rub all over it with the drill\screw when you mount them. just bleh.

i have my oppinions. i never said they arent good ultra low frequency transducers. i only have my oppinions about the design that i dont like. that is all.

A: I'm glad you need to purchase a subwoofer no one else in your area has just to feel special. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif I couldn't care less what name is stamped on it, as long as it performs to my standards I don't give a ****.But meh, you can't argue with some people.

B: It actually does change the parameters, it worked well enough for them to use it, so let em'.I agree it is also partially marketing to go along with their slash series amps.But they all have their reasons.I doubt they chose a 3 ohm coil JUST for the fact of sound quality.We both know that.But they're just trying to run a business, why not get more of your products sold?

C: Dealer cost on the W7's is quite reasonable IMHO considering their ALL AROUND erformance.JL has no say what their dealers sell them for.It will vary from one dealer to another.They pay their cost to JL and get the product, JL is happy and it doesn't really matter.For the people that say they are over priced, whine to your dealers.It's not JL's fault.The dealers just happen to take an advantage of the fact that JL is a very large name in the industry, and the W7 being claimed "the best".Just makes them extra money.

D: It does increase the cone area.Which falls under performance.But I do agree, those little rings are fragile and I have bent/broken a couple.You say you don't care about looks, but yet you care about the brand name that's stamped on it?

 

[Spooby 10+ year member]

Eh, people ***** and whine about the same old garbage. Oh its a mainstream brand so it must be overpriced and junk. Blah. Some of the people on this forum are already saying that about RE. LOL

In my honest opinion I like JL. I've owned all of thier subs, and most recently thier 12W7 (three of them at the same time). They are all nice subs and perform very well. I've just never been able to figure out why the W6 sounds better than the W7. Overall the W7 is a pretty good sub and the marketing behind it is second to none.

Everytime I see someone *****ing about the JL W7 its normally about "oh its overpriced...you can find XXX brand for $XX.XXX." My JL dealer just tells that same idiot "Go ahead and have a nice day". Some of you just need to stop whining and move on. There are plenty of other brands out there. No need to fixate your attention on one of the biggest manufacturers out there.

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

anyone know what the dealer cost is for a W7?

just curious

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

I like some of JL's stuff, but do agree it is a way over priced woofer when it comes to the W7. I really think it is that simple.

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

anyone know what the dealer cost is for a W7?
just curious

$250:naughty:

 

[req 5,000+ posts]

A: I'm glad you need to purchase a subwoofer no one else in your area has just to feel special. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif I couldn't care less what name is stamped on it, as long as it performs to my standards I don't give a ****.But meh, you can't argue with some people.
B: It actually does change the parameters, it worked well enough for them to use it, so let em'.I agree it is also partially marketing to go along with their slash series amps.But they all have their reasons.I doubt they chose a 3 ohm coil JUST for the fact of sound quality.We both know that.But they're just trying to run a business, why not get more of your products sold?

C: Dealer cost on the W7's is quite reasonable IMHO considering their ALL AROUND erformance.JL has no say what their dealers sell them for.It will vary from one dealer to another.They pay their cost to JL and get the product, JL is happy and it doesn't really matter.For the people that say they are over priced, whine to your dealers.It's not JL's fault.The dealers just happen to take an advantage of the fact that JL is a very large name in the industry, and the W7 being claimed "the best".Just makes them extra money.

D: It does increase the cone area.Which falls under performance.But I do agree, those little rings are fragile and I have bent/broken a couple.You say you don't care about looks, but yet you care about the brand name that's stamped on it?

you still arent listening to what im saying.

A. its not about the name thats stamped on it. its about little fanboys thinking they know everything about car audio because they use JL. i feel there is more in this world then the biggest brand name. and i feel that i can get better performance for my dollar elsewhere. so i choose not to use JL and to find equipment that will perform just as good and cost what i believe is a worthy price.

B. read - it is an EXTREMLY MINIMAL CHANGE. sure, they chose it for a reason. but i believe the biggest part of that reason is to be different and unique so people will feel its a bigger change than it really is. why do you think companies can have two different coil configurations on the same brand of speaker, ie: dual 4 ohm type r, and dual 2 ohm type r, OH NOES - it changed the paramaters! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

i honestly can not believe its enough to change that much of an audible\mechanical difference. its what? a few less winds on the coil? i bet that 3" coil is heavy as hell anyway.

C. sure DEALER COST is reasonable. i would pay $400 at most for a w7. thats what they are worth in my oppinion. maybe 500. they have been selling the same speaker for so long with the same price point. maybe if they actually did some more *ucking R+D and made the W7 better than it is now, it could justify their research. but to me, it looks like JL isnt doing much of anything. so what R+D may i ask i am sill paying for?

but i agree, dealers charge an arm and a leg because JL is the hyped "best available" - its good, i do not deny that, but it is far from the end-all-be-all.

D. okay, ill agree with you there. that **** ring does increas cone area and performance. but how much for the hassle of the ring. i do not deny it looks sweet. i do not deny it was a cool idea. but for me, its more of a pain in the *** than anything else.

again, these are just my oppinions. i agree with everyone that they are good quality speakers and amps from JL. but there are a few things that bother me, and those are my oppinions. i would rather go with other equipment that in my mind is better justified for the money.

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

I read, and I listened.You make some valid points.Like I said, the 3ohm coil is mostly for marketing.Hey, if you can sell someone your sub, try to sell them your amps too.Make it seem like the amps were made to go with the subs.I agree the audible difference will be minimal, but hey.It was their choice to go with.

The reason so many companies are out there right now (and successful) is becasuse everyone has different tastes.Not everyone will like the way one sub sounds.Not everyone will like the way one set of speakers sounds.Not everyone will like the way a certain amp sounds in their install.Not everyone will like the same head unit.And so on, and so forth.Variety is nice.

Yes I know dealer costs on the W7 (well, last time I checked), but I will not post exact prices.But I'll say that the 12" is around $400.