which methanol injection kit would you get?

[JarvisB 10+ year member]

I am in progress of purchasing everything for my turbo set up and right now I just need an expert's opinion or advice.

I have got everything narrowed down except for the methanol injection as I am not sure which one is a good one out there.

I ve searched online and I think I got 2 choices, AEM brand or Snow Performance. Snow seem to have a better price but they got stage 1 or 2 while AEM got only one.

So if you have ran a set up with methanol then which one would you run right now?

In case you are wondering, the turbo is gonna go on my 2004 ford explorer 4.6L V8. The turbo is STS remote mount universal kit. 76mm. I am going to get 42lb./hour ford racing fuel injectors and a 90mm MAF from a lightning so I can run at around 10psi or maybe a little more if possible.

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[Upgrayedd 10+ year member]

meth is a terrible but great marketed bandaid. Get a real intercooler and call it a day. 10psi is fine for pump gas. If you insist on doing meth look into devils own.

 

[fasfocus00 5,000+ posts]

honestly at 10psi on a turbo is nothing. your motor should not be getting hot enough to use any sort of methanol injection. spend your money getting a good tune but if you must, got with the Snow Perfomance kit.

 

[JarvisB 10+ year member]

You guys think I will be able to get away with no cooling system?

The problem about intercooler is that I will have to mount it in the rear just like where the turbo will be mounted at. I think it is more complicated to do that rather than going with the meth route since I wont be looking at higher boost in the future.. maybe I will do 12 or so at most..

edit: and yeah I am going to look for a reputable shop that can give me a good tune. I am considering about purchasing a xcal3 as well but if i find a shop that has one then i ll go there

 

[nastyaudioman 10+ year member]

Go with snow performance. When I was tuning few years ago we tested the first prototype of snow performance. With cheap washer fluid we seena gain of 63+ hp at the wheels on a basic 8 psi setup with a vortec on 93 octane and stock internals. 2001 Gt as well. Good kit and works well for a little added power. Make sure you grab a sCT dyno tune for perfection //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[JarvisB 10+ year member]

Lets say that I am open to the idea of purchasing an intercooler instead of meth. Which intercooler should I get? what size? I dont know much about intercoolers but I know that it might have to go in the muffler area with the turbo because my 04 ford explorer 4.6 dont have much of room in engine bay.

Any input would be appreciated. (and yes I do realize that this is a car audio forum lol)

 

[JarvisB 10+ year member]

I have read some facts that meth is not good for your engine in general, not sure if it is true

And if I can mount an intercooler in my vehicle then I dont see a problem with that.

But meth is normally good for how many psi of boost to provide enough cooling supply?

On another side,(for comparison purposes) which stage of the snow performance meth kit should I get for my 10-12 psi of boost application?

 

[kfx450r 10+ year member]

I have read some facts that meth is not good for your engine in general, not sure if it is true
And if I can mount an intercooler in my vehicle then I dont see a problem with that.

But meth is normally good for how many psi of boost to provide enough cooling supply?

Im not 100% on meth in cars but I know that you have to keep up with maintenance and purge alot in quads when running methanol. Or else rust will form in the engine from the moisture. Other then that its really not bad or unreliable with a good tune. I know with temp changes tuning changes alot more with meth than gas.

 

[RCDAKRT 10+ year member]

honestly at 10psi on a turbo is nothing. your motor should not be getting hot enough to use any sort of methanol injection. spend your money getting a good tune but if you must, got with the Snow Perfomance kit.

LOLZ 10psi is generally not "safe" on 95% of stock v8 engines especially with a 76mm turbo...a 4 banger yeah 10psi isnt sh!t because they use a gt28 or gt30 that dont **** in as much air, hince why they need so much boost to make decent power.

OP dont use such a big turbo for only 10psi, a 70mm will spool up way faster and make more power with your application. Bigger turbos are more suited for stroker motors or someone that has fogred internals, bigger heads, proper turbo cam, etc. to handle higher boost

 

[RCDAKRT 10+ year member]

and dont buy a meth kit, save your money and get a good tune on it, it wont ever detonate especially on 8-10 psi...meth kits are mostly used on high boost cars that are too cheap to run race gas lol

 

[nastyaudioman 10+ year member]

10 psi is fine on most V8 engines stock.

I would also look at a smaller turbo for sure, your car is going to run shitty on the low end with such a large turbo. I would throw a pair of hybrid T3/4's on there and call it a day.

Grab an intercooler and meth injection if wanted, BUT what year 4.6 do you have and is it iron or aluminum block?

 

[nastyaudioman 10+ year member]

He has to get a tune anyways lol.

 

[Toone 10+ year member]

meth is usually bad itll even make yo grill fall out if you smoke too much

 

[fasfocus00 5,000+ posts]

LOLZ 10psi is generally not "safe" on 95% of stock v8 engines especially with a 76mm turbo...a 4 banger yeah 10psi isnt sh!t because they use a gt28 or gt30 that dont **** in as much air, hince why they need so much boost to make decent power.
OP dont use such a big turbo for only 10psi, a 70mm will spool up way faster and make more power with your application. Bigger turbos are more suited for stroker motors or someone that has fogred internals, bigger heads, proper turbo cam, etc. to handle higher boost

get a f'n brain, how do you figure that 10 psi of boost is safer on a smaller motor. sorry but i've built cars(honda and mustangs), own a boosted car, and you clearly don't know what you're talking about. 4 bangers use smaller turbo's b/c you need exhaust gas velocity to get a turbo to spool up and 4 bangers just can't create the velocity needed like a V8 can. the difference between a "big" turbo and a "small" turbo is the exhaust gas velocity to get into boost. a "big" turbo is not made for storker motors or forged internals, bigger turbo's are made for motors that have large volumes of exhaust gas at high speeds such as a V8 that has all eight cyclinders expelling exhaust gas into 1 turbo or a straight 6 or straight 8. you also say that 4 bangers need high amounts of boost to make decent numbers, again clearly you don't know what you're talking about again. 4 bangers running high boost putting up moderate numbers have low compression combustion chambers and very little ignition timing. all the newer 4 banger run higher compression motors with extremely high ignition timing and are now able to yeild 300-400+hp with less than 12psi.

 

[nastyaudioman 10+ year member]

get a f'n brain, how do you figure that 10 psi of boost is safer on a smaller motor. sorry but i've built cars(honda and mustangs), own a boosted car, and you clearly don't know what you're talking about. 4 bangers use smaller turbo's b/c you need exhaust gas velocity to get a turbo to spool up and 4 bangers just can't create the velocity needed like a V8 can. the difference between a "big" turbo and a "small" turbo is the exhaust gas velocity to get into boost. a "big" turbo is not made for storker motors or forged internals, bigger turbo's are made for motors that have large volumes of exhaust gas at high speeds such as a V8 that has all eight cyclinders expelling exhaust gas into 1 turbo or a straight 6 or straight 8. you also say that 4 bangers need high amounts of boost to make decent numbers, again clearly you don't know what you're talking about again. 4 bangers running high boost putting up moderate numbers have low compression combustion chambers and very little ignition timing. all the newer 4 banger run higher compression motors with extremely high ignition timing and are now able to yeild 300-400+hp with less than 12psi.

Fo sho. Like I said though, I would run twin hybrids and be done with it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif