unless you have some personal bad experience using these amps, then i dont see how you could call these amps a pile. just cause they dont cost a ton of money like other amps doesnt mean these amps dont do rated power. i personally hae PERSONAL experience with these amps, so unlike 90% of people on this fourm im not talking out my ***.i bet he is regretting that ap pile oshit now lolz 70db s/n ratio how sad is that lolz.