What is?

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

LOL! The data is in the damn article! They found genetic material in the vaccines that's not supposed to be in there! It's like ordering a water from a restaurant, but when you get it, there's a bunch of shit particles floating around in it that you can see, and when you drink the dirty water it makes a lot of people sick, but somehow you're confused about "data to support his position"?

Am I in the twilight zone? Wtf is happening...

My bad, I misused the term data. I should have said statistics. As for mRNA potentially causing cancer, so do viruses.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Why do you feel the need to explain vax is short for vaccine? Do we really need to go over that? Hard to understand or what? These are dumb conversations.

Probably had something to do with people using loose or even alternate definitions of words.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Because mRNA doesn't work like that. Injecting mRNA is not injecting a modified or dead or any type of virus. mRNA is genetic coding for the cell to use, fundamentally; mRNA has absolutely nothing to do with injecting a virus or anything like it directly into you.

All the vax does is replicate what the virus does anyway, which is use mRNA to hijack our cells.

 

[administrator]

Maybe you should just kill off threads after a while or put a 2-5 post limit per thread (instead of per forum). That would lead to more topic specific threads instead of what became one thread for everything related to politics. Hypothetically certain threads would die of there own volition.

I'd say the winners thread should remain locked as it appears it's original purpose was a place for Biden voters to gloat and clearly it's devolved into something else.

A big reason for not closing the political threads sooner, is I didn‘t want to see dozens of political threads pop up in their place, as they seem so popular here for some damn reason. I wanted to contain that to as few threads as possible, but still maintain some civility from forum members, which was the tough part to accomplish.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

All the vax does is replicate what the virus does anyway, which is use mRNA to hijack our cells.

It's not the same.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

People like you argue the efficacy/legality/legitimacy of the vaccine, but don't even know what a vaccine is.

Isn't it critical to have a basic understanding of what you are talking about before you want to argue technicalities?
How can you argue that a vaccine doesn't work, and how can you expect anyone to listen to or respect your arguments against the vax when you don't even know what a vaccine IS?

It's like a deaf guy tuning an audio system by ear. Would you trust his judgment?

Having a basic understanding of how a vaccine functions isn't the issue, and you know that, and you're being demeaning.

I'm debating that mRNA shots are not a vaccine due to how the technology functions, which is far from not having a basic understanding, man, and this is why everybody argues with you is you do stuff like this. You know this is a fake argument with a fake narrative started by you to insult people.

And the definition of being vaccinated or inoculated has changed multiple times since vaccines came out, like since the first vaccines ever, so you can't point to old vaccines as examples, because they were defined differently than modern vaccines with modified definitions of what a vaccine is and the methods used. mRNA "vaccines" are on a whole different level of technology than something like a polio vaccine; it's not even close to the same technology.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

A big reason for not closing the political threads sooner, is I didn‘t want to see dozens of political threads pop up in their place, as they seem so popular here for some damn reason. I wanted to contain that to as few threads as possible, but still maintain some civility from forum members, which was the tough part to accomplish.

I see where you're coming from.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Having a basic understanding of how a vaccine functions isn't the issue, and you know that, and you're being demeaning.

I'm debating that mRNA shots are not a vaccine due to how the technology functions, which is far from not having a basic understanding, man, and this is why everybody argues with you is you do stuff like this. You know this is a fake argument with a fake narrative started by you to insult people.

And the definition of being vaccinated or inoculated has changed multiple times since vaccines came out, like since the first vaccines ever, so you can't point to old vaccines as examples, because they were defined differently than modern vaccines with modified definitions of what a vaccine is and the methods used. mRNA "vaccines" are on a whole different level of technology than something like a polio vaccine; it's not even close to the same technology.

Just because the tech changed doesn't mean mRNA isn't a vaccine anymore than a Tesla isn't a car because it's nothing like a Model T.

We get you don't like the technology, but it will probably be neccessary technology as we move forward and various types of biomechanical implants become more common place.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

A big reason for not closing the political threads sooner, is I didn‘t want to see dozens of political threads pop up in their place, as they seem so popular here for some damn reason. I wanted to contain that to as few threads as possible, but still maintain some civility from forum members, which was the tough part to accomplish.

BTW, yeah there's fighting in the political threads, but I've seen forums where the fighting is in the real threads, and that tends to be more harmful to the forum IMHO. Then the mods really have to crack down and people get booted from the forum and their friends leave the forum in solidarity and it's a death spiral from there. So if stays contained where it should be, is it all that bad?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I understand it just fine.
And you are very clearly trying to spin things into something they are not.

Keep it simple and speak directly to the discussion that the COVID vax doesn't meet the definition of a vax (vax being short for "vaccine").
Then, let's work forward from there.

If you want to distort the very basis of the whole discussion, then the discussion is moot.
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It's kinda odd how this mirrors the woke movement. Both movements seek to distort language. I suggest that is because both movements have difficulty supporting their positions with facts alone.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Just because the tech changed doesn't mean mRNA isn't a vaccine anymore than a Tesla isn't a car because it's nothing like a Model T.

We get you don't like the technology, but it will probably be neccessary technology as we move forward and various types of biomechanical implants become more common place.

MRNA isn't a vaccine. MRNA is a medical platform or type of technology that can be programmed to do many things. MRNA programming your cells to produce spike proteins is not the same as your body fighting off dead or partial fragments of viral materials. It's just not the same, this type of therapy is usually called gene therapy and mostly seemed to be before covid, because MRNA tells your cells to produce spike proteins, where the MRNA wrapped in lipid nanoparticles itself doesn't provide any immunity from anything, because it's a piece of designed biotechnology.

When you inject a traditional vaccine, your immune system fights what's immediately injected into you to gain immunity, antibodies, whatever the aimed response is.

With MRNA "vaccines", MRNA is injected and goes into your cells, hijacks your cell's ribosomes, and then your cell starts producing it's own spike proteins, which are very toxic and cause health problems, but the idea is to get immunity from the spike proteins, but the way immunity is theoretically obtained is by biomedical technology hijacking your cell's function to produce spike proteins. That's absolutely nothing like how a traditional vaccine works.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

MRNA isn't a vaccine. MRNA is a medical platform or type of technology that can be programmed to do many things. MRNA programming your cells to produce spike proteins is not the same as your body fighting off dead or partial fragments of viral materials. It's just not the same, this type of therapy is usually called gene therapy and mostly seemed to be before covid, because MRNA tells your cells to produce spike proteins, where the MRNA wrapped in lipid nanoparticles itself doesn't provide any immunity from anything, because it's a piece of designed biotechnology.

When you inject a traditional vaccine, your immune system fights what's immediately injected into you to gain immunity, antibodies, whatever the aimed response is.

With MRNA "vaccines", MRNA is injected and goes into your cells, hijacks your cell's ribosomes, and then your cell starts producing it's own spike proteins, which are very toxic and cause health problems, but the idea is to get immunity from the spike proteins, but the way immunity is theoretically obtained is by biomedical technology hijacking your cell's function to produce spike proteins. That's absolutely nothing like how a traditional vaccine works.

I'm aware of that. And we plug in Teslas instead of using a fossil fuel...

 

[Old_Slapper]

Data is out there. The deaths in other countries had to do a lot with the lack of medical attention. So, don't think I am debunking COVID as being deadly. However, realistically, the common flue has killed more. Remember, most of the deaths, in the US were due to false claims. How is it that nobody died from heart attacks, cancer, old age, or other common causes of death during the COVID era? Have you every heard the phrase COVID cured cancer? Nobody was dying from cancer anymore.

Out of the millions that have been claimed as dying from COVID, I know a single person who actually died from COVID. I'm not saying people didn't actually die from it. I'm just saying I personally know of only one, and I run in very large groups, schools, church, etc... Heck there are over 300 employees within my local agency, and only one person died from COVID. He was about 450 pounds and had a history of health issues. My father in-law has a pacemaker, diabetes, and is other health issues. He got COVID and only had the sniffles for a few days.

So, who doesn't know how a vaccine actually works? I will be more than happy to explain it.

 

[administrator]

BTW, yeah there's fighting in the political threads, but I've seen forums where the fighting is in the real threads, and that tends to be more harmful to the forum IMHO. Then the mods really have to crack down and people get booted from the forum and their friends leave the forum in solidarity and it's a death spiral from there. So if stays contained where it should be, is it all that bad?

I’ve seen it carry over to real threads here also. Also, the fighting eventually turns in to one line back and forth, reports being made, threats, etc. None of those are any help to the forum as a whole. Google doesn‘t like to see this type behavior either and penalizes sites for it…

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I’ve seen it carry over to real threads here also. Also, the fighting eventually turns in to one line back and forth, reports being made, threats, etc. None of those are any help to the forum as a whole. Google doesn‘t like to see this type behavior either and penalizes sites for it…

I see. Odd that Google penalized sites for that. It seems most of the intrawebz is divisive & infighting.