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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

We've know for a good century that vaccines aren't 100% effective. I'd guess every single one of us knows at least one person who got a flu shot but still caught the flu. So we all knew going into this that vaccines aren't 100% effective.

I think a lot of people like to play word games in an attempt to mischaracterize the opposition. The way "prevent" got perverted is a great example. We have have traffic laws to prevent accidents and we use seat belts to prevent injuries when those accidents do occur. Nobody thinks "prevent" is absolute when we're talking about car accidents and related injuries. But when it comes to wearing masks, social distancing or getting the jab, suddenly prevention took on a new meaning. And of course "we" fall short of this unattainable target and then the anti-vaxxers running around giving each other high 5s and saying "see, I told you so."

And when Dr Walensky lied about the absolute efficacy of vaccine, that was inexcusable, however bear in mind that when she made that statement the CDC website contained accurate information about the jab's efficacy and Walensky was getting roasted on Twitter in real time for her lie.

Why do you think walensky lied about it?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Why do you think walensky lied about it?

Don't know - caved to pressure from Maddow, Biden said the message needed to be more forceful, born liar, felt her lies were justified by antivax disinformation, angling to get on Moderna's research program, she was an antivax plant who told an obvious lie to create back lash against the vax, Pfizer wired $3m to her offshore account, she's in on the Big Pharma depopulation program, she's psychotic...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Because mRNA doesn't work like that. Injecting mRNA is not injecting a modified or dead or any type of virus. mRNA is genetic coding for the cell to use, fundamentally; mRNA has absolutely nothing to do with injecting a virus or anything like it directly into you.

Read the 1911 definition again.
Vaccine was and is to this day, an "innoculation".
Innoculate - “to implant (a disease agent or antigen) in a person, animal, or plant to produce a disease for study or to stimulate disease resistance
Antigen - a toxin or other foreign substance which induces an immune response in the body, especially the production of antibodies

So the COVID vax meets the definition from at least 109 years prior to its existence.
Why is or was anyone confused about that at all?

Perhaps it's as Jimi said: They want to win against the opposition and be able to give the high-fives.
It's funny though, how the ones who are high-fiving are doing so about the failure of something to help us. They are actually HAPPY if someone gets vaccinated and gets sick anyway, because they think it proves the point. "You SEE, it failed in .00001% of the 7 billion doses administered. We TOLD you so!!!!"
Much like the idiots who think seatbelts do nothing.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Read the 1911 definition again.
Vaccine was and is to this day, an "innoculation".
Innoculate - “to implant (a disease agent or antigen) in a person, animal, or plant to produce a disease for study or to stimulate disease resistance
Antigen - a toxin or other foreign substance which induces an immune response in the body, especially the production of antibodies
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So the COVID vax meets the definition from at least 109 years prior to its existence.
Why is or was anyone confused about that at all?

Perhaps it's as Jimi said: They want to win against the opposition and be able to give the high-fives.
It's funny though, how the ones who are high-fiving are doing so about the failure of something to help us. They are actually HAPPY if someone gets vaccinated and gets sick anyway, because they think it proves the point. "You SEE, it failed in .00001% of the 7 billion doses administered. We TOLD you so!!!!"
Much like the idiots who think seatbelts do nothing.

You just don't understand the technology or what you're talking about. There's not just one type of covid vax, this is dumb. And the "vaccine" doesn't provide immunity lol, that's why they're on like the 8th shot

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

"“SYNTHETICALLY-GENERATED GENOMICALLY TARGETED PLAGUES” WILL BE THE FUTURE OF WARFARE, SAYS NEW DEFENSE REPORT"

"“Technological improvements, including messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) vaccines, the use of CRISPR (clustered regularly interspaced short palindromic repeats) gene sequences as a genetic engineering tool, and advances in BCI (brain-computer interfaces), may shift strategic calculations,” the report states. “The emergence of ever more countries with advanced biotechnology capabilities raises a new, more dynamic future for biotechnology at war.”"

"Synthetically-Generated Genomically Targeted Plagues" Will Be the Future of Warfare, says New Defense Report - The Debrief

In a new report, researchers explored the potential for engineered pathogens to become instruments of warfare.

thedebrief.org

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You just don't understand the technology or what you're talking about. There's not just one type of covid vax, this is dumb.

I understand it just fine.
And you are very clearly trying to spin things into something they are not.

Keep it simple and speak directly to the discussion that the COVID vax doesn't meet the definition of a vax (vax being short for "vaccine").
Then, let's work forward from there.

If you want to distort the very basis of the whole discussion, then the discussion is moot.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I understand it just fine.
And you are very clearly trying to spin things into something they are not.

Keep it simple and speak directly to the discussion that the COVID vax doesn't meet the definition of a vax (vax being short for "vaccine").
Then, let's work forward from there.

If you want to distort the very basis of the whole discussion, then the discussion is moot.
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Why do you feel the need to explain vax is short for vaccine? Do we really need to go over that? Hard to understand or what? These are dumb conversations.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Next thing you know people are gonna try to argue that crispr shots are vaccines

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Read the 1911 definition again.
Vaccine was and is to this day, an "innoculation".
Innoculate - “to implant (a disease agent or antigen) in a person, animal, or plant to produce a disease for study or to stimulate disease resistance
Antigen - a toxin or other foreign substance which induces an immune response in the body, especially the production of antibodies
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So the COVID vax meets the definition from at least 109 years prior to its existence.
Why is or was anyone confused about that at all?

Perhaps it's as Jimi said: They want to win against the opposition and be able to give the high-fives.
It's funny though, how the ones who are high-fiving are doing so about the failure of something to help us. They are actually HAPPY if someone gets vaccinated and gets sick anyway, because they think it proves the point. "You SEE, it failed in .00001% of the 7 billion doses administered. We TOLD you so!!!!"
Much like the idiots who think seatbelts do nothing.

It is odd how the definitions of immunity, prevention, vaccine, etc all suddenly changed. It would be one thing if either side could claim ignorance but since I'm 99.999% sure everybody knows at least one person who still got the flu despite being vaxxed, nobody can claim ignorance. They just twisted and distorted facts to suit their agenda.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Florida Surgeon General calls for halt of Covid mRNA vaccine use. Provides no data to support his position.

Florida State Surgeon General Calls for Halt in the Use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines - Florida Department of Health

January 03, 2024

www.floridahealth.gov

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Florida Surgeon General calls for halt of Covid mRNA vaccine use. Provides no data to support his position.

Florida State Surgeon General Calls for Halt in the Use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines - Florida Department of Health

January 03, 2024

www.floridahealth.gov

LOL! The data is in the damn article! They found genetic material in the vaccines that's not supposed to be in there! It's like ordering a water from a restaurant, but when you get it, there's a bunch of shit particles floating around in it that you can see, and when you drink the dirty water it makes a lot of people sick, but somehow you're confused about "data to support his position"?

Am I in the twilight zone? Wtf is happening...

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Covid vaccines have the worst safety or side effects track record of any vaccine ever recorded.

Things that weren't supposed to be in the vaccine were found in there.

Yet, somehow, the conclusion is reached thats there's no data to support halting the STILL EXPERIMENTAL covid vaccine program. LOL

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Can I just say something? Isn't it obvious they haven't figured out how to kill this virus? Has anyone thought it isn't even a goal? Just release booster after booster to generate income from a virus with less impact than the flu. Or is it just me?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Why do you feel the need to explain vax is short for vaccine? Do we really need to go over that? Hard to understand or what? These are dumb conversations.

People like you argue the efficacy/legality/legitimacy of the vaccine, but don't even know what a vaccine is.

Isn't it critical to have a basic understanding of what you are talking about before you want to argue technicalities?
How can you argue that a vaccine doesn't work, and how can you expect anyone to listen to or respect your arguments against the vax when you don't even know what a vaccine IS?

It's like a deaf guy tuning an audio system by ear. Would you trust his judgment?

 

[Firewalker]

Can I just say something? Isn't it obvious they haven't figured out how to kill this virus? Has anyone thought it isn't even a goal? Just release booster after booster to generate income from a virus with less impact than the flu. Or is it just me?

You really need to ask that?

When was the last thing ever really cured? Polio? Face it there is more money in providing pills, treatments and hospital stays then ever curing anything. Nothing has been cured since the 1950s with Polio. That way politicians and the drug companies can make money.

Perfect example of this is the bullshit so called "medical marijuana" bill that the GOP has unveiled here yesterday. Within minutes of reading it everyone found HIPAA violations which would allow anyone who is on the registry for medical marijuana to have their medical records accessed by anyone in the state as they open it up as a open records situation and if you decide to get medical marijuana they can then take away your legal right to own any gun include confiscating them on the spot which is against the law and the constitution. Only 5 STATE RUN Pharmacies and only a STATE Doctor can determine what % you can have and the amount for the month. People are so pissed here this entire bill was nothing more then collusion with the pharmacy industry. Reason simple no smokeables allowed it has to be pills, creams, gummies, vaporizers or tinctures.

And they wonder why people go to Minnesota, Michigan and Illinois for Medical Marijuana.