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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Prove I'm **********...or are you just making up "facts" again?

If you are using homosexuality as an insult, then you are **********.
Pretty basic stuff.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

If you are using homosexuality as an insult, then you are **********.
Pretty basic stuff.

I wasn't insulting you...I was showing support for your lifestyle choice

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I wasn't insulting you...I was showing support for your lifestyle choice

That backpedal is worse than most of Thxone's.
You're not bright enough to successfully spin it, bud.

You sound like Trump: "I was only pretending to have classified documents on my desk. Showing off, you know..."

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

That backpedal is worse than most of Thxone's.
You're not bright enough to successfully spin it, bud.

You sound like Trump: "I was only pretending to have classified documents on my desk. Showing off, you know..."

Why do you feel insulted by gay implications

 

[AnthonyO 10+ year member]

Homophobia: coming from or having a fear or dislike of gay people or queer people (= people who do not fit a society’s traditional ideas about gender or sexuality):

I look at homosexuality as I do religion. I don't care what Religious people do on Sundays as long as they don't come knocking on my door and cram their beliefs. Same with homosexuality. I don't care, but it seems everyday that sh!t is being crammed down our throats. So call me ********** if you want to. But if they kept the sh!t to themselves I could care less.

 

[djdilliodon!]

How about you show me that it does? This is why that kind of info is no longer on the cdc website! This is why they will not say it prevents infection or the spread. It’s why they only say it prevents hospitalization, long term side effects (long covid), and death. This ain’t 2020 or 2021 or even 2022 anymore. It’s 2023 and plenty has been done showing this. 20,000 individuals who cars what symptoms are present and all that, the viral shedding was the same . Your denial of all this is absolutely passed the point of insanity. Letting go of that virtue means that much to you? Listen, you don’t have to publicly say on here I’m right and that you didn’t do your part to save others lives. It’s clear to everyone reading it was already lost. I would suggest you shut up now before your delusion vanishes and you return to reality and you yourself see that virtue vanish. I don’t want you to feel worthless if this jab was the only accomplishment in your life

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Why do you feel insulted by gay implications

I don't. But when YOU try to use it as an insult, it shows your bigoted ********** attitude.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Homophobia: coming from or having a fear or dislike of gay people or queer people (= people who do not fit a society’s traditional ideas about gender or sexuality):

I look at homosexuality as I do religion. I don't care what Religious people do on Sundays as long as they don't come knocking on my door and cram their beliefs. Same with homosexuality. I don't care, but it seems everyday that sh!t is being crammed down our throats. So call me ********** if you want to. But if they kept the sh!t to themselves I could care less.

That's not ********** at all.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

How about you show me that it does? This is why that kind of info is no longer on the cdc website! This is why they will not say it prevents infection or the spread. It’s why they only say it prevents hospitalization, long term side effects (long covid), and death. This ain’t 2020 or 2021 or even 2022 anymore. It’s 2023 and plenty has been done showing this. 20,000 individuals who cars what symptoms are present and all that, the viral shedding was the same . Your denial of all this is absolutely passed the point of insanity. Letting go of that virtue means that much to you? Listen, you don’t have to publicly say on here I’m right and that you didn’t do your part to save others lives. It’s clear to everyone reading it was already lost. I would suggest you shut up now before your delusion vanishes and you return to reality and you yourself see that virtue vanish. I don’t want you to feel worthless if this jab was the only accomplishment in your life

It's been shown in the medical world since the 1800's. I could give you 100 links to info about the efficacy of vaccines, but you would probably say they are bought and paid for by the deep state, or that Joe Rogan did an experiment in his basement that proves the history of medicine is incorrect.
When the proof is so well-known, then it is incumbent on you to prove your contradictory claims.

You're conflating viral shedding and viral load. They are two different things.
Go ahead and read up on them, and we can talk some more when you know what you are arguing.

While you are reading, find some information that indicates viral shedding is the same regardless of severity of illness.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Lemme guess: You think that the severity of the the illness or whether you get it or not has nothing to do with the odds you will transmit to others?

Of course, I'm sure you understand that NO vaccine "prevents" you from getting something. Right?

It's not that the odds don't change - DJ (iirc) posted a study and it looks like the odds are certainly different in vax vs unvaxxed. IMHO, the issue is more about effectiveness and we're not seeing this massive reduction in transmission. As we saw with the mask, people like to go to the extremes because reality is too nuanced to fit the narrative, so we end up with "the mask doesn't work." Reduction in spread/viral load due to the mask and social distancing and lock down measures reduces the speed at which Covid spreads and since Covid spreads geometrically, small changes in the rate of spread can make massive differences over time doesn't make for a good meme. It's easier to post a pic of a sheep wearing a mask with the tagline "Only stops 10% of the virus." The vax doesn't do this that or the other is a narrative that will never go away.

Kinda reminds me of a friend I was conversing with recently. We both have a mortgage/sales background and he said "No way I'm going back to mortgages, I'm looking for something simple to sell." The same thing happened with Covid. One side was saying "the mask doesn't work" (gross oversimplification of reality) and Fauci was on every channel every day saying "Mask good, wear mask." Then the vaccine came along and it wasn't a magic bullet, you get the "vaccine doesn't work" narrative. And if you dared to try to explain how the vaccine worked and presented the data to support it, you were "walking back" from a position you never took in the first place.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Homophobia: coming from or having a fear or dislike of gay people or queer people (= people who do not fit a society’s traditional ideas about gender or sexuality):

I look at homosexuality as I do religion. I don't care what Religious people do on Sundays as long as they don't come knocking on my door and cram their beliefs. Same with homosexuality. I don't care, but it seems everyday that sh!t is being crammed down our throats. So call me ********** if you want to. But if they kept the sh!t to themselves I could care less.

Are they really cramming it down your throat? I'm far more likely to encounter somebody with a religious message than an LGBTQxyz person with a message about inclusion or confusion. Is the Pride display at the local Walmart "cramming it down your throat?"

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I don't. But when YOU try to use it as an insult, it shows your bigoted ********** attitude.

You're implying I used it as an insult...prove your accusation...or is this more of your fabrication

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It's not that the odds don't change - DJ (iirc) posted a study and it looks like the odds are certainly different in vax vs unvaxxed. IMHO, the issue is more about effectiveness and we're not seeing this massive reduction in transmission. As we saw with the mask, people like to go to the extremes because reality is too nuanced to fit the narrative, so we end up with "the mask doesn't work." Reduction in spread/viral load due to the mask and social distancing and lock down measures reduces the speed at which Covid spreads and since Covid spreads geometrically, small changes in the rate of spread can make massive differences over time doesn't make for a good meme. It's easier to post a pic of a sheep wearing a mask with the tagline "Only stops 10% of the virus." The vax doesn't do this that or the other is a narrative that will never go away.

Kinda reminds me of a friend I was conversing with recently. We both have a mortgage/sales background and he said "No way I'm going back to mortgages, I'm looking for something simple to sell." The same thing happened with Covid. One side was saying "the mask doesn't work" (gross oversimplification of reality) and Fauci was on every channel every day saying "Mask good, wear mask." Then the vaccine came along and it wasn't a magic bullet, you get the "vaccine doesn't work" narrative. And if you dared to try to explain how the vaccine worked and presented the data to support it, you were "walking back" from a position you never took in the first place.

Nice to see at least one other person here who understands reality.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Are they really cramming it down your throat? I'm far more likely to encounter somebody with a religious message than an LGBTQxyz person with a message about inclusion or confusion. Is the Pride display at the local Walmart "cramming it down your throat?"

I've never had a pride perseon knock on my door to try to convert me.
Can't say that about Iehova's Witnesses though...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

How about you show me that it does? This is why that kind of info is no longer on the cdc website! This is why they will not say it prevents infection or the spread. It’s why they only say it prevents hospitalization, long term side effects (long covid), and death. This ain’t 2020 or 2021 or even 2022 anymore. It’s 2023 and plenty has been done showing this. 20,000 individuals who cars what symptoms are present and all that, the viral shedding was the same . Your denial of all this is absolutely passed the point of insanity. Letting go of that virtue means that much to you? Listen, you don’t have to publicly say on here I’m right and that you didn’t do your part to save others lives. It’s clear to everyone reading it was already lost. I would suggest you shut up now before your delusion vanishes and you return to reality and you yourself see that virtue vanish. I don’t want you to feel worthless if this jab was the only accomplishment in your life

Actually what CDC's website says the vas is effective at protecting against hospitalization, long covid and death. Therefore one would conclude that it's NOT effective at stopping infection/spread, which is different from "the vax doesn't stop infection & spread." Clearly we can see that the vax wasn't effective at stopping spread & infection with the Omicron variant. Just as clearly if your immune system reduces the amount of time your sick and/or how sick you get, then obviously you're less contagious.