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[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

You throw around your intelligence like a 12 year old who found his dads gun. If you claim you got vaccinated for other people, you’re a liar. Very convenient that the vaccination you thought was to save your life suddenly became that you’re somehow a hero. You’re pathetic and everyone here knows it.

1. I’m not Jimi77. Try to keep up.
2. Speak to the contradiction in your argument that a person who doesn’t “need” a vax cannot say they got it for the benefit of someone else.

If the person doesn’t need it, then the only reason they would get it is to benefit others.

Reconcile, please.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

That link was to start you on your journey through the rest. Nowhere on it does it say it prevents you from getting the virus or prevents infecting others, only that it protects you from being hospitalized, having long term effects, or death. Again when they eradicate covid or the flu, let me know and when you get the shots I’ll give you back your precious virtue.

Now let’s look at some vaccines that actually prevent you from getting something. These will give you the virtue you desire:

Polio vaccine 99-100% effective.

HPV vaccine nearly 100% effective preventing external genital warts. That’s great news who wants that lol.

Smallpox vaccine 95% effective at preventing it, that pretty darn solid.

Chickenpox vaccine over 90% effective, also pretty darn good.

Many more

Lemme guess: You think that the severity of the the illness or whether you get it or not has nothing to do with the odds you will transmit to others?

Of course, I'm sure you understand that NO vaccine "prevents" you from getting something. Right?

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

I got vaccinated so I could protect the people around me

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That's what humans in polite society do.
And it's been working out since the 1800's.

Some of them cover a cough or sneeze, refrain from smoking near someone with COPD, and even stay away from others when sick. Your stance suggests you are one of those rude mo-fos who doesn't give a **** about society.
It's all about you, and what you can take from society.

 

[djdilliodon!]

Lemme guess: You think that the severity of the the illness or whether you get it or not has nothing to do with the odds you will transmit to others?

Of course, I'm sure you understand that NO vaccine "prevents" you from getting something. Right?

The deflection is amazing. We can clearly see from a test with nearly 20,000 individuals you are shedding the same vaccinated or not. No one is questioning anything but it preventing you from getting covid and spreading covid which it does nothing for that. The point, getting it is to protect yourself, that’s it, no virtue is obtained, no saving the world, no saying you had a purpose and did your part for others.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

That's what humans in polite society do.
And it's been working out since the 1800's.

Some of them cover a cough or sneeze, refrain from smoking near someone with COPD, and even stay away from others when sick. Your stance suggests you are one of those rude mo-fos who doesn't give a **** about society.
It's all about you, and what you can take from society.

I care about people, Rob. That’s why I don’t want people falling for the tricks of tyrants. You may not agree with my perception, but it’s not because I don’t care about people.

The evil in this world is planning another pandemic, and they’re going to try to completely rule your life. It’s called problem-reaction-solution, or another way to look at it is ordo ab chao, which means order out of chaos. They are creating a new pandemic (the chaos) and simultaneously creating all the solutions (the order). So, what are you gonna do when they release another pandemic to force you to live life a certain way? How would that make you feel, that they create bioweapons to kill people to rule over the world? They already killed who knows how many people with the covid gain of function bioweapon made in a lab and destroyed the world economy, which has lead to more war and mass human suffering and deaths, loss of very important human rights…

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

The deflection is amazing. We can clearly see from a test with nearly 20,000 individuals you are shedding the same vaccinated or not. No one is questioning anything but it preventing you from getting covid and spreading covid which it does nothing for that. The point, getting it is to protect yourself, that’s it, no virtue is obtained, no saving the world, no saying you had a purpose and did your part for others.

It's "clearly" seen because it's what you want to see.
Show me the details of how severe the infection was in each individual, vs their viral shedding.
Show me the stats that say the vax did nothing to help us not get COVID and nothing to help prevent or minimize the spread.
Show me the studies that say we shed the same amount of virus regardless of the severity of the illness.

These are all important factors in determining the efficacy of a vaccine.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

I care about people, Rob. That’s why I don’t want people falling for the tricks of tyrants. You may not agree with my perception, but it’s not because I don’t care about people.

The evil in this world is planning another pandemic, and they’re going to try to completely rule your life. It’s called problem-reaction-solution, or another way to look at it is ordo ab chao, which means order out of chaos. They are creating a new pandemic (the chaos) and simultaneously creating all the solutions (the order). So, what are you gonna do when they release another pandemic to force you to live life a certain way? How would that make you feel, that they create bioweapons to kill people to rule over the world? They already killed who knows how many people with the covid gain of function bioweapon made in a lab and destroyed the world economy, which has lead to more war and mass human suffering and deaths, loss of very important human rights…

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Can you just start a conspiracy theory thread for all this nonsense you push, and stick to science and reality in this one?
The ONLY thing that changed for my daily life is that my employer was forced to accept the fact that people can work from home, and are actually more productive in doing so.

If the New World Order government is going through all these machinations you claim, and it's making things better, I'm all for it. The hitch in your theory though, is that you have also talked about how inept the government is. Bumbling, keystone Cops-level fools.
How are they completely inept, yet also secretly running this huge conspiracy of world domination without anyone seeing or being able to expose the Big Secret?

Ya' can't have it both ways.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

It's Wednesday

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

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It's Wednesday

Ahhh, homophobia. The best you can muster when you are as intellectually limited as you are.
Enjoy your shooter of bleach with a UV bug zapper light in your stomach.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Ahhh, homophobia. The best you can muster when you are as intellectually limited as you are.
Enjoy your shooter of bleach with a UV bug zapper light in your stomach.

Prove I'm homophobic...or are you just making up "facts" again?

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

Prove I'm homophobic...or are you just making up "facts" again?

If you are using homosexuality as an insult, then you are homophobic.
Pretty basic stuff.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

If you are using homosexuality as an insult, then you are homophobic.
Pretty basic stuff.

I wasn't insulting you...I was showing support for your lifestyle choice

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

I wasn't insulting you...I was showing support for your lifestyle choice

That backpedal is worse than most of Thxone's.
You're not bright enough to successfully spin it, bud.

You sound like Trump: "I was only pretending to have classified documents on my desk. Showing off, you know..."

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

That backpedal is worse than most of Thxone's.
You're not bright enough to successfully spin it, bud.

You sound like Trump: "I was only pretending to have classified documents on my desk. Showing off, you know..."

Why do you feel insulted by gay implications

 

[AnthonyO 10+ year member]

Homophobia: coming from or having a fear or dislike of gay people or queer people (= people who do not fit a society’s traditional ideas about gender or sexuality):

I look at homosexuality as I do religion. I don't care what Religious people do on Sundays as long as they don't come knocking on my door and cram their beliefs. Same with homosexuality. I don't care, but it seems everyday that sh!t is being crammed down our throats. So call me homophobic if you want to. But if they kept the sh!t to themselves I could care less.

 

[djdilliodon!]

How about you show me that it does? This is why that kind of info is no longer on the cdc website! This is why they will not say it prevents infection or the spread. It’s why they only say it prevents hospitalization, long term side effects (long covid), and death. This ain’t 2020 or 2021 or even 2022 anymore. It’s 2023 and plenty has been done showing this. 20,000 individuals who cars what symptoms are present and all that, the viral shedding was the same . Your denial of all this is absolutely passed the point of insanity. Letting go of that virtue means that much to you? Listen, you don’t have to publicly say on here I’m right and that you didn’t do your part to save others lives. It’s clear to everyone reading it was already lost. I would suggest you shut up now before your delusion vanishes and you return to reality and you yourself see that virtue vanish. I don’t want you to feel worthless if this jab was the only accomplishment in your life

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

Why do you feel insulted by gay implications

I don't. But when YOU try to use it as an insult, it shows your bigoted homophobic attitude.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

Homophobia: coming from or having a fear or dislike of gay people or queer people (= people who do not fit a society’s traditional ideas about gender or sexuality):

I look at homosexuality as I do religion. I don't care what Religious people do on Sundays as long as they don't come knocking on my door and cram their beliefs. Same with homosexuality. I don't care, but it seems everyday that sh!t is being crammed down our throats. So call me homophobic if you want to. But if they kept the sh!t to themselves I could care less.

That's not homophobic at all.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

How about you show me that it does? This is why that kind of info is no longer on the cdc website! This is why they will not say it prevents infection or the spread. It’s why they only say it prevents hospitalization, long term side effects (long covid), and death. This ain’t 2020 or 2021 or even 2022 anymore. It’s 2023 and plenty has been done showing this. 20,000 individuals who cars what symptoms are present and all that, the viral shedding was the same . Your denial of all this is absolutely passed the point of insanity. Letting go of that virtue means that much to you? Listen, you don’t have to publicly say on here I’m right and that you didn’t do your part to save others lives. It’s clear to everyone reading it was already lost. I would suggest you shut up now before your delusion vanishes and you return to reality and you yourself see that virtue vanish. I don’t want you to feel worthless if this jab was the only accomplishment in your life

It's been shown in the medical world since the 1800's. I could give you 100 links to info about the efficacy of vaccines, but you would probably say they are bought and paid for by the deep state, or that Joe Rogan did an experiment in his basement that proves the history of medicine is incorrect.
When the proof is so well-known, then it is incumbent on you to prove your contradictory claims.

You're conflating viral shedding and viral load. They are two different things.
Go ahead and read up on them, and we can talk some more when you know what you are arguing.

While you are reading, find some information that indicates viral shedding is the same regardless of severity of illness.

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

Lemme guess: You think that the severity of the the illness or whether you get it or not has nothing to do with the odds you will transmit to others?

Of course, I'm sure you understand that NO vaccine "prevents" you from getting something. Right?

It's not that the odds don't change - DJ (iirc) posted a study and it looks like the odds are certainly different in vax vs unvaxxed. IMHO, the issue is more about effectiveness and we're not seeing this massive reduction in transmission. As we saw with the mask, people like to go to the extremes because reality is too nuanced to fit the narrative, so we end up with "the mask doesn't work." Reduction in spread/viral load due to the mask and social distancing and lock down measures reduces the speed at which Covid spreads and since Covid spreads geometrically, small changes in the rate of spread can make massive differences over time doesn't make for a good meme. It's easier to post a pic of a sheep wearing a mask with the tagline "Only stops 10% of the virus." The vax doesn't do this that or the other is a narrative that will never go away.

Kinda reminds me of a friend I was conversing with recently. We both have a mortgage/sales background and he said "No way I'm going back to mortgages, I'm looking for something simple to sell." The same thing happened with Covid. One side was saying "the mask doesn't work" (gross oversimplification of reality) and Fauci was on every channel every day saying "Mask good, wear mask." Then the vaccine came along and it wasn't a magic bullet, you get the "vaccine doesn't work" narrative. And if you dared to try to explain how the vaccine worked and presented the data to support it, you were "walking back" from a position you never took in the first place.