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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Because the left is so stupid and they cherry pick shit to argue about and they take shit far too literal just to argue because they are blinded by hatred, here are explanations to dumb it down for them.

Speaking of dumb, please tell us which number is bigger: 25% of 99, or 23% of 102.
Go.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

CAMPAIGN promises.

Whether it’s 10 or 100 made, a higher percentage of success is a higher percentage of success.

When Trump promised Mexico would buy us a wall, do you think anyone but his sycophants believed it would happen?
Yet, it was a major talking point of his platform.

Christ, people are STILL talking about it as if if was a good promise and a big success.
Laughable.

But Trump made 102 promises. So, he achieved 23 in 4 years.
Biden made 99 promises. So, he’s achieved 25 in 2 years.

25 in two is better than 23 in four.

Quantify what counts as a promise versus pandering...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Quantify what counts as a promise versus pandering...

Eye of the beholder?
I would say claiming Mexico would pay for a wall that we build was pandering.
I would say pormising to deliver "healthcare for everyobdy" when you have no plan, no experience, and no knowledge of how to do it, to be pandering.

I would say a promise to ban assault weapons is pandering, given the complete lack of understanding by most of what an assault weapon IS.
I would say a promise to ban frakking on federal lands could be pandering, if it was know that the decision would just be a back-and-forth court battle.

If a president is simply pandering but actually achieves these "empty" promises, do we discount the achievements as not relevant?
Is it better to make "serious" promises, but not deliver?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Eye of the beholder?
I would say claiming Mexico would pay for a wall that we build was pandering.
I would say pormising to deliver "healthcare for everyobdy" when you have no plan, no experience, and no knowledge of how to do it, to be pandering.

I would say a promise to ban assault weapons is pandering, given the complete lack of understanding by most of what an assault weapon IS.
I would say a promise to ban frakking on federal lands could be pandering, if it was know that the decision would just be a back-and-forth court battle.

If a president is simply pandering but actually achieves these "empty" promises, do we discount the achievements as not relevant?
Is it better to make "serious" promises, but not deliver?

No quantify the standard for a true promise and campaign pandering...you don't get to use your opinion while holding others to "study" proven fact...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

No quantify the standard for a true promise and campaign pandering...you don't get to use your opinion while holding others to "study" proven fact...

The "standard"? YOU are the one who brought up a promise vs. pandering, so tell us YOUR standards.

But since you are making the inference that Biden was simply pandering, I'll ask again: If Biden was "pandering" but achieved more promises than Trump who was "promising", are those achievements somehow not valid?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

The "standard"? YOU are the one who brought up a promise vs. pandering, so tell us YOUR standards.

But since you are making the inference that Biden was simply pandering, I'll ask again: If Biden was "pandering" but achieved more promises than Trump who was "promising", are those achievements somehow not valid?

Promises kept is on you...what's the standard? Don't break weak and put it on me

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Promises kept is on you...what's the standard? Don't break weak and put it on me

The standard of a promise kept? Uhhm, if someone delivers on the promise, then it's a promise kept. If they only deliver on a portion, then it's a compromise or a stall.

Not enough room to give the details here, so i'll give you the links where you can read them:

Biden Promise Tracker | PolitiFact

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

Trump-O-Meter : Tracking Trump’s first-term campaign promises | PolitiFact

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

The standard of a promise kept? Uhhm, if someone delivers on the promise, then it's a promise kept. If they only deliver on a portion, then it's a compromise or a stall.

Not enough room to give the details here, so i'll give you the link wher you can read tehm:

Biden Promise Tracker | PolitiFact

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

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Trump-O-Meter : Tracking Trump’s first-term campaign promises | PolitiFact

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

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So if a politician does anything it's a promise kept? That's pretty fckn vague and low bar...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So if a politician does anything it's a promise kept? That's pretty fckn vague and low bar...

Try reading the promises and whether they were kept or not.
And no, simply trying to deliver on a promise is not a "promise kept".

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Try reading the promises and whether they were kept or not.
And no, simply trying to deliver on a promise is not a "promise kept".

What's the standard for an actual promise and campaign pandering then? Don't tell me you're naive enough to believe everything a politician says is an actual 100% take it the bank real promise ffs...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

A success simply because he went back on his promise, but Congress stopped him:

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

What's the standard for an actual promise and campaign pandering then? Don't tell me you're naive enough to believe everything a politician says is an actual 100% take it the bank real promise ffs...

So once it is shown that Trump really tanked on his promises, promises no longer mean anything.
What happened to your attempt to say that Trump made "promises" but Biden was only "pandering"?

Try to be consistent.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

So once it is shown that Trump really tanked on his promises, promises no longer mean anything.
What happened to your attempt to say that Trump made "promises" but Biden was only "pandering"?

Try to be consistent.

You still haven't defined what makes an actual promise yet...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You still haven't defined what makes an actual promise yet...

Nor should I. YOU are the one who wanted to bring promises vs. pandering into the equation.
It's YOUR topic, so you can go ahead and speak to it.
Don't ask me to support your argument for you.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Nor should I. YOU are the one who wanted to bring promises vs. pandering into the equation.
It's YOUR topic, so you can go ahead and speak to it.
Don't ask me to support your argument for you.

I'm holding you to the exact standard you try to hold everyone else to...define an actual promise vs pandering...or stfu about who keeps more