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[SlugButter]

And arrogant...might have the makings of the next Pelosi here

Pelosi would run him through the ringer. He’s not even close to Pelosi level intellectualism. He is more along the lines of Anthony Weiner level IQ, where his wife has all the brains and he just rides her coat tails to get votes.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

Oh, what the hell. You seem to want to be made a fool of.
Disprove the trial results:

Pfizer and BioNTech Conclude Phase 3 Study of COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate, Meeting All Primary Efficacy Endpoints | Pfizer

Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose; 170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group Efficacy was consistent across age, gender, race and...

www.pfizer.com

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

Some more light reading for you:

Drugs and vaccines for COVID-19: Authorized clinical trials - Canada.ca

Listed are the authorized clinical trials in Canada with vaccines, supportive care and/or treatments for COVID-19.

www.canada.ca

Link to press release which does not cite any of the details.

The next link says "Analysis of the first primary efficacy end point included participants who received the vaccine or placebo as randomly assigned, had no evidence of infection within 7 days after the second dose".
"The primary end points of this trial were solicited, specific local or systemic adverse events and use of antipyretic or pain medication within 7 days after the receipt of each dose of vaccine or placebo"

Why only 7 days? I wonder if this is Safe and Effective (TM) after 7 days?

This seems pretty suspicious but there isn't a whole lot of information on the methodology published.

Also out of 40something thousand participants "No Covid-19–associated deaths were observed." in either group.

Thank **** for you cattle wearing your filthy bandanna around and playing research monkeys for these drug companies or we'd be up to our elbows in plague ridden corpses.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Link to press release which does not cite any of the details.

The next link says "Analysis of the first primary efficacy end point included participants who received the vaccine or placebo as randomly assigned, had no evidence of infection within 7 days after the second dose".
"The primary end points of this trial were solicited, specific local or systemic adverse events and use of antipyretic or pain medication within 7 days after the receipt of each dose of vaccine or placebo"

Why only 7 days? I wonder if this is Safe and Effective (TM) after 7 days?

This seems pretty suspicious but there isn't a whole lot of information on the methodology published.

Also out of 40something thousand participants "No Covid-19–associated deaths were observed." in either group.

Thank **** for you cattle wearing your filthy bandanna around and playing research monkeys for these drug companies or we'd be up to our elbows in plague ridden corpses.

Put some effort into your argument and read the study results instead of tossing a red herring and complaining about the participants.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Pelosi would run him through the ringer. He’s not even close to Pelosi level intellectualism. He is more along the lines of Anthony Weiner level IQ, where his wife has all the brains and he just rides her coat tails to get votes.

Nice sidestep. We’re talking about me versus you. I don’t recall saying I’m smarter than Pelosi, but it was a great opportunity for you to talk about something other than your limited intelligence.

 

[SlugButter]

Nice sidestep. We’re talking about me versus you. I don’t recall saying I’m smarter than Pelosi, but it was a great opportunity for you to talk about something other than your limited intelligence.

Whatever you say Rob. You can have this one. You must be super smart, since apparently the only place where you flex your intellectual muscle is on a forum where no one except a pill pill popping drunk listens to you. I obviously just didn’t know who I was speaking to. You and Bobby must be the smartest people to ever live. That’s why the 2 of you post 700 times per month on a forum where no one gives a fvck. Congrats

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Whatever you say Rob. You can have this one. You must be super smart, since apparently the only place where you flex your intellectual muscle is on a forum where no one except a pill pill popping drunk listens to you. I obviously just didn’t know who I was speaking to. You and Bobby must be the smartest people to ever live. That’s why the 2 of you post 700 times per month on a forum where no one gives a fvck. Congrats

You sound a bit like Thxone, who is here by choice and yet complains about what goes on here.
If you don’t like the content, why do you stay?

 

[SlugButter]

You sound a bit like Thxone, who is here by choice and yet complains about what goes on here.
If you don’t like the content, why do you stay?

The audio section. Why are you here?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The audio section. Why are you here?

You lost? This is Thunderdome. It’s not an audio section.
I came to the site for a question. After a week of no responses , I noticed this COVID thread was always top of the charts of new posts, so I read it and joined it, and post in it.
It seems I’m not the only one.

 

[SlugButter]

You lost? This is Thunderdome. It’s not an audio section.
I came to the site for a question. After a week of no responses , I noticed this COVID thread was always top of the charts of new posts, so I read it and joined it, and post in it.
It seems I’m not the only one.

Good try, but we all know you just have nowhere else better to be day in day out. No one likes you Rob, and I bet that translates off the forum too.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You sound a bit like Thxone, who is here by choice and yet complains about what goes on here.
If you don’t like the content, why do you stay?

Is that what you think I do? Complain about "what" goes on here? Let me clear it up. I complain about YOU silly boy. Take two people out of the Dome and the conversations in here would be civil. People would voice their opinions without these two arguing with them for daring to have a thought. Two people have ruined conversations for many people and they don't give two shits. Selfish and self centered. Congrats boys.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

People should care about the intent of everything they do. Any action of yourself shows the intent of yourself. Any expression of yourself is inescapably an expression of yourself. People are the way they are, whether it’s on here or not here. That’s the whole fakeness to our society and just how people work; they use the internet as an excuse to be their real selves. Show us that steaming pile of dung you are inside

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So you're saying you cannot cite any clinical trials to support that claim.

I'm not sure what you're after. The massive data set gathered by CDC isn't convincing enough? Personally, I find that raw data more convincing than clinical studies that have been done.

I'm sure youust be aware of the clinical studies that have been conducted to get the vaccines approved. If you were truly concerned about whether such studies exist, you could easily google them yourself and see they do.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

170 individuals isn't enough to get past the margin of error on a study...

Actually, it was. You may not like it, but the study shows about 20:1 infection rate in the vaxxed vs unvaxxed group. Data from the actual launch of the vaccine fell in line with Moderna & Pfizer's studies until omicron.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

read the study results

Near as I can figure the results suggest that that particular in injection is Safe and Effective (TM) for 7 days and that the fatality rate of COVID with or without any injection is zero. I did actually read that and while it does actually use RCT methodology I find it extremely suspicious that they only care about a 7 day window and discarded two cardiovascular related deaths in the test group as not related to the injection.

Personally, I find that raw data more convincing than clinical studies

That is because you've never read any of those "studies", never took a statistics class, and are obviously too caught up in your confirmation bias to objectively look at the way the data is manipulated to prove whatever point whoever is funding the "studies" is trying to prove.

clinical studies that have been conducted to get the vaccines approved.

And yet you couldn't name one and the one we have been shown is only for a 7 day window.

you could easily google them yourself

That's not how burden of proof works, friend.

the study shows about 20:1 infection rate in the vaxxed vs unvaxxed group

For 7 days after the second injection.

Data from the actual launch of the vaccine fell in line with Moderna & Pfizer's studies until omicron.

So how's that working out right now? Has the long term (beyond 7 days) efficacy or safety changed? By how much? Can you provide any source?

I'm really happy for you that you took a gamble and had 7 days of safe and effective protection from a virus that killed zero out of 43,000 people in your clinical trial. Again, it's only due to you and your filthy bandana you wore for a year and a half that we don't have carts being pulled around our cities being filled with the corpses of plague victims.

FFS, I hope you clowns at least own Pfizer stock or something.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I'm really happy for you that you took a gamble and had 7 days of safe and effective protection from a virus that killed zero out of 43,000 people in your clinical trial. Again, it's only due to you and your filthy bandana you wore for a year and a half that we don't have carts being pulled around our cities being filled with the corpses of plague victims.

FFS, I hope you clowns at least own Pfizer stock or something.

There's a lot to unpack here, but your final paragraph pretty much sums up your position.
You took a statistics class in college, therefore you can invalidate, discredit, and disprove a trial/study that involved over 43,000 people in the THIRD phase, lasted far longer than 7 days (Phase 3 was 6 months long; the doses ALONE were 21 days apart), was done across multiple facilities, and multiple nations.

Your repeated point of argument is a weird phrase about "dirty bandannas" which you have referenced multiple times. The phrase suggests you are a person who will do things wrong, and then complain that they don't work, kind of like using a wrench to pound a nail and calling the wrench defective when it won't work.

You are very obviously a keyboard genius who knows better than all the medical professionals involved in the study, and no amount of trial proof or statistical reality is going to convince you that all of the "research" you have personally done is useless. "Research" that doesn't even match up to a few seconds of a real scientist viewing the virus through an electron microscope.

It is kind of funny (in a sad way) that you sarcastically reference "carts of corpses" as if it is a ridiculous idea. You obviously weren't paying attention when hospital ERs were overflowing, bodies were leaving out the back door as much as the front, front line workers were working 80+ hours a week, morgues were at triple capacity, some cities were literally burying bodies in mass graves.
You miss those "minor" details about the pandemic, but your "research" tells you that all of the vax studies PLUS the ongoing validations in real-world use among hundreds of MILLIONS of people are wrong.

Welcome to the land of cognitive dissonance.
You are yet another poster child among millions.