What is?

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Because I read not only the Grant I also read reports released from the WIV stating the work they were doing when they were available to read.

But that would just be blind acceptance of what others say.
For consistency and to support your anger at me for "blind acceptance", shouldn't you be basing your opinion on your own hands-on investigation, and not what someone else says?
Genuine question.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

There’s also tons of evidence the spike protein isn’t natural but is modified and was placed on the virus via gain of function, which is what they were working on in that lab. This virus is/was naturally an aerosol, but it didn’t spread well from human to human, so, that’s why they modified the spike protein to be like a key that opens up the ACE-2 receptors. The sars-cov-2 spike protein was designed to almost perfectly open up the cell wall of human beings, and that, plus the fact it’s an aerosolized virus, is why it spread so quickly. There’s a lot of ACE-2 receptors in the lungs, and people had lung problems from breathing in the aerosol and having it attach to their lungs, amongst some other reasons

What source is this "tons of evidence" from?
Is this openly accepted by the medical community at large, or is a theory posited by an anti-vaxxer?

Genuine questions.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

But that would just be blind acceptance of what others say.
For consistency and to support your anger at me for "blind acceptance", shouldn't you be basing your opinion on your own hands-on investigation, and not what someone else says?
Genuine question.

What is your problem? Genuine question. Why do you think my post has any emotion in it let alone anger towards you? I don't give a damn about you enough to be angry with you.

These reports were released before any cover-ups so no need for questioning the legitimacy of the lab reports. That should be obvious to a professional fraud detector such as yourself Rob.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

What source is this "tons of evidence" from?
Is this openly accepted by the medical community at large, or is a theory posited by an anti-vaxxer?

Genuine questions.

Look at you!! ******** Troll!!!

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Rob, go eat some turds. If you actually gave a shit about the virus and where it came from I am sure you would use your extensive access to other peoples knowledge and hard work to form an actual opinion of your own.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

China didn't let anyone visit lab until a year in

WHO inspectors visit Wuhan virus lab at heart of Covid-19 conspiracy theories

World Health Organization inspectors visited a laboratory in China's Wuhan city on Wednesday that American officials suggested could have been the source of the coronavirus.

www.france24.com

You'd think they'd want to clear the lab's involvement...

And considering China's information throughout was suspect...

How Bad Is China’s Covid Outbreak? It’s a Scientific Guessing Game.

In the absence of credible information from the Chinese government, researchers around the world are looking for any clues to determine the size and severity of the surge.

www.nytimes.com

How do you believe their story of the origin...there's enough there to seriously doubt natural evolution of covid...

Blaming China does 2 things...put the U.S. funding a wuhan under a spotlight and gives us some culpability...second...if the world had proof to put covid on China then demands for restitution will start and China will go to war...that's how the ccp operates...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

What is your problem? Genuine question. Why do you think my post has any emotion in it let alone anger towards you? I don't give a damn about you enough to be angry with you.

These reports were released before any cover-ups so no need for questioning the legitimacy of the lab reports. That should be obvious to a professional fraud detector such as yourself Rob.

Your anger is evident in the way you phrase your responses. I reference a source, and you say it's just blind acceptance and being force-fed info. And then the conversation eventually devolves into a ********** ad-hominem attack, often including various "curses" followed by exclamation points. All of these things used to express anger and feelings.

And then I ask you to be consistent with what you demand of others (to not blindly accept stuff) and your response is that you are blindly accepting what other say.
You often complain that there is no "conversation", but conversation is hard with someone who demands others act in a way that he refuses to act.

So to keep it on an even keel, how about we both use available factual info to discuss/debate/argue this stuff, instead of me using available facts, and you expressing just an opinion that you claim is fact?

Fair?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

What source is this "tons of evidence" from?
Is this openly accepted by the medical community at large, or is a theory posited by an anti-vaxxer?

Genuine questions.

If they’re genuine questions, why don’t you just go search for it? I’ve posted over and over again about the spike protein and the furin cleavage site. You don’t read it, so idk what to tell you. There’s sources I’ve posted that you can’t claim are conspiratorial about gain of function research on coronaviruses, but you still don’t look at them, apparently.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Your anger is evident in the way you phrase your responses. I reference a source, and you say it's just blind acceptance and being force-fed info. And then the conversation eventually devolves into a ********** ad-hominem attack, often including various "curses" followed by exclamation points. All of these things used to express anger and feelings.

And then I ask you to be consistent with what you demand of others (to not blindly accept stuff) and your response is that you are blindly accepting what other say.
You often complain that there is no "conversation", but conversation is hard with someone who demands others act in a way that he refuses to act.

So to keep it on an even keel, how about we both use available factual info to discuss/debate/argue this stuff, instead of me using available facts, and you expressing just an opinion that you claim is fact?

Fair?

No, not fair. You are responding to things that didn't happen in this conversation. You are living in the past. Good job.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

In other words, we just decide on our own with no ability to investigate or review the results of an investigation, or know any facts.
Yes?

To some extent, yes. China sat on the outbreak, so if they wanted to destroy records and samples they had plenty of time to do so. Even the bat theory is just a theory that can't be proven or disproven.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

China has no credibility as far as I am concerned. They willingly lie, cheat and steal. They are constantly stealing tech, they are flying balloons over us, they are being as shady as they can be. But we are supposed to believe they did nothing wrong at the lab.

I guess China is innocent... Rob and the CIA say so.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

If they’re genuine questions, why don’t you just go search for it? I’ve posted over and over again about the spike protein and the furin cleavage site. You don’t read it, so idk what to tell you. There’s sources I’ve posted that you can’t claim at conspiratorial about gain of function research on coronaviruses, but you still don’t look at them, apparently.

1. I would have to go and look at every post you've made, because you very often just post a link to something you saw. More than once, I have pointed out that you haven't even read what you linked to, because info within contradicted your narrative.
2. Far too much of the stuff you post is simply conspiracy fantasy posited by people who end up having no credibility due to various other misinformation/disinformation they have put out.

So the question stands: Is the spike protein theory accepted by the medical community at large?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

China has no credibility as far as I am concerned. They willingly lie, cheat and steal. They are constantly stealing tech, they are flying balloons over us, they are being as shady as they can be. But we are supposed to believe they did nothing wrong at the lab.

I guess China is innocent... Rob and the CIA say so.

You're avoiding meeting your own standards for forming an opinion that you just put forth.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You're avoiding meeting your own standards for forming an opinion that you just put forth.

Then you should have no problem explaining that and proving it.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Then you should have no problem explaining that and proving it.

Proving WHAT? The standards you are demanding?