We are screwed

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

I am on my parents plan. What does that have to do with the question I asked?
We live in the 21st century. We aren't back in the fucking dark ages. People are entitled to health care, and this country and government is one that cares for ALL people. (Well, I guess not republicans, they only like their rich cronies)

I mean, education isn't a right. But the government still provides it right? where in the constitution does it say that paved road and high ways are a right? The government provides that. If Americans' defense from foreign enemies an explicit right of the american people?

What the hell are you talking about? It's called health insurance dumbass. Buy some to cover your *** from a catastrophic illness and pay for the rest! Does your car insurance cover oil changes? Wiper blades? Diagnostic tests? No. It's for when you get in an accident. Catastrophic loss. THAT is what health insurance should be for. Unfortunately you dumbass namby pambies have morphed it into the fucking mess we have now which has caused costs to go thru the roof.

No, there is no enumerated right to education in the U.S. Constitution. There may be such an enumerated right in your STATE constitution. However, the federal gov't has ignored the U.S. Constitution and created the Dept. of Education, thus overriding States' rights and mandating compliance thru doling out federal taxpayer monies via unfunded mandates. All the while completely destroying public education by propping up such wasteful entities as the teachers unions. You are most likely a product of public education based on your inane responses.

Paved roads are not a right either. Again, something to be controlled by the individual STATES. I don't know about you, but the roads in my town are maintained thru a combination of local and state funds. Yes, again, the federal gov't sticks their fingers into it by saying "Pass this law and we'll give you money". That's how we get seatbelt laws, helmet laws and all the rest of the nanny state laws. And they use the interstate highway system as their foothold. The state legislatures have learned that if they pass these laws, in return they get money from the feds. It's not rocket science and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the U.S. Constitution.

Healthcare is not a right. People in this country are not "entitled" to anything. Unfortunately so many like yourself are there with their hands out and the politicians have learned how to pull your strings, give you the handouts you want and in return they get rich and re-elected for a lifetime. Your party simply wants to keep you poor and wanting so they can stay in power. You have a lot to learn. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

As a followup to your complete misunderstanding of the U.S. Constitution, let me clarify education a bit more for you.

Government has no constitutional authority to be in the education business. None. Zip. Nada.

Education is not a federal issue, it is a local and a state issue. This is exactly how it was treated for over 200 years and why the public education I received K-8 before heading to a private Catholic high school was 100% better than public education today. Along came Jimmy Carter and by the slimmest of margins (4 votes in the House) we got a new, enormous federal monstrosity called the Dept. of Education (DOE).

The creation of the DOE effectively took control from local and state gov't (and Mom and Dad) and dragged it, kicking and screaming, to Washington, D.C.. It also made the jobs of teachers' union lobbyists and special interest groups much, much, much easier since they now need to influence only one all powerful entity rather than each individual school system. If you got your way with the DOE, you got your way with every school system in America.

It's no surprise that your ideology is what it is based on the fact that the federal government controlled your entire public education. This is the 2nd most important reason our children have and always will attend private schools until they select their respective colleges. Private schools still focus on reading, writing and arithmetic, and not on secular humanism, social engineering, liberal brainwashing and ******* up to teachers unions.

 

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

And here's something else for you to think about.

Our present healthcare insurance is designed to cut out the relationship between doctors and patients. Doctors are so overwhelmed with threatened legal action and bureaucracy that it has become expected that a trip to the doctor is an exercise in paperwork, patience and a rude staff. Encouraging competition and removing the needless levels of regulation can free up our doctors to once again worry about their patients instead of politicians and attorneys.

Ever heard of Dr. John Muney? Look him up. He is a NY physician who recently started an amazing program. Unlimited doctor appointments to anyone who wanted them for $79 a month. His logic was simple. If he could avoid the mountains of paperwork that came with health insurance, he could cut his costs and make sure health care was within reach of everyone.

That's when the gov't stepped in. Despite the speeches from politicians, the gov't doesn't really care if you are able to see a doctor. What they care about is control. The NY State Insurance Dept. told Dr. Muney that he had to stop offering his low cost, fixed rate plan because it was too similar to insurance. To put it another way, a doctor's effort to avoid the hassles of insurance could continue only if he started his own insurance company.

After some publicity on the subject, the state told Dr. Muney he could continue with a modified version of his plan. One that would, unfortunately, cover less and cost more. As Dr. Muney stated, "I really don't want to charge more. They're forcing me."

Therein lies but a small insight into the much larger issue of how our healthcare costs are rising out of control. You have your dear gov't to thank...which all started with Teddy Kennedy and the creation of the HMO back in the 70's. And now you are looking to that same gov't to fix it. Yes sir, proximity, therein lies the reason I label you, rightfully so, as a young, ignorant, moonbat dumbass.

 

[Jaredturp 10+ year member]

I'm really upset that I posted anything in this thread. Now I get a shitton of emails of people *****ing back and forth. I know I can just unsubscribe, but stilll.

It's funny to see the difference in intelligence between the liberal and conservative posters. It's pretty apparent.

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

we are indeed fked..........

but Im not really worried to much yet it has a LONG way to go before

its laid out - and thats the sad part,it's not laid out,it's a haphazard mess

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Forcing people to buy stuff is the meaning of freedom. What good is freedom if you can't force people to conform?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

CBO report: Debt will rise to 90% of GDP - Washington Times

pretty much says it all.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

CBO report: Debt will rise to 90% of GDP - Washington Timespretty much says it all.

That's an inconvenient report, so therefore it must be right wing hate and probably racist.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

If only Bush didn't triple the budget deficit when Obama came into office.

I guess we can blame Obama anyway, it's easier.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

If only Bush didn't triple the budget deficit when Obama came into office.
I guess we can blame Obama anyway, it's easier.

Obama will have driven up the deficit more than Bush within 21 months of his term. That is 8 years vs under 2 years. Obama had 50% of TARP, 100% of these Ommnibus, Stimulus, jobs bill and health care. Thing you seem to be forgetting is that is money earned from other people as well as yourself.

 

[JerzyIroc]

Lol I love how people act like experts. Keep living in your fox n friends fantasy world. The rest of us educated people know why this bill needed to happen. Is it perfect, no. But it needed to happen. Want small/no government? Move to a third world country, see how your sweet deregulation works for you //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif And thank your deregulation and small government for this massive financial crisis we're in because it is just about 95% of the reason we're in this mess. Also the fact that we had a third grader run this country for 8 years.

If you think this bill is socialism you truly are a complete ignorant uneducated ****ing moron..

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

I change my mind. People are too ignorant to run their own lives. We need government to force them to conform. More laws and regulations are obviously the path to a better world. I'd hate to become a non-regulated third world country. Republican de-regulation was obviously the reason ethiopia became a poor country. If we could only get some liberals over there to regulate banks and force them to give the poor mortgages. It worked great here. If their debt were 90 percent of GDP, they'd be rich in no time. If they could just over print their money, they wouldn't even have to raise taxes either.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Apparently, bush was a horrible president. Which makes it ok to speed up bush policies.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

JerzyIroc

Mark Levin

Mark Levin

Mark Levin

Companies say health care costs hard to swallow | dailyrecord.com | Daily Record

Mark Levin

"Hands off Medicare" means that it is being defunded by 500 billion dollars. When government puts entitlements in place that people are forced to PAY INTO they become dependent. Not only does government run health care deny the most people but it also has the most fraud. Aren't government programs swell?

Medicare Fraud: A $60 Billion Crime - 60 Minutes - CBS News

Heavy regulation over finances and life means government controls are in place. You can try to pick it apart with millions of straw man arguments but ultimately if the government controls most of the aspects of a business they at least pick winners and losers. Might as well own them like they already own a large insurer, lending institutions, banks and car companies. Controlling them with rules, laws and regulations is far cheaper than buying (TARP and bailouts) them and taking them over with the use of military force wouldn't look good politically considering we can still vote.

You can argue about the history of the housing crisis but for you to be able to make the actual argument you would want or need people not to know how the bill to law process works. YouTube - Schoolhouse Rock- How a Bill Becomes a Law (liberals must really really hate 4 or 5 of those schoolhouse rock shows). Regulations followed aided in the housing crisis. Lowering of lending standards was FORCED. 2 times in Bush's first 4.5 years they tried to re regulate but were shot down in committee by democrats. Hell anyone with a grasp of what happened should know in 2007 when the dems took over the senate and house they claimed they fixed everything about that. How did that work? Massive crisis equals massive opportunity to gain more control.

To get back to your "socialism" comment liberals tend to like the word fascist to describe the right. They try to claim they are totally on different ends. Fact is they are far closer together than anyone will admit. Big government is centralized. Less to no power to state and local government. Modern dictatorships, communism, socialism and fascism would all fall under the big government umbrella. Big governments want people to think democracy is the same thing as freedom based solely on ones right to vote. All of these are forms of tyranny. Anarchy is actually on the opposite side of the spectrum of any of these. Democrats ALWAYS latch on to something they passed from the past to gain more control. (example student loans)

Small government is less centralized and gives more power to state, local governments and the individual because it believes smaller communities know best in how to use its resources and how to govern. It is based in this the democratic republic maintains its liberties and freedoms to the individual.