Want to have $5 dollar a gallon gas?

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

What do you think happened to NYC in the 70's by "community organizers"?

they consistently try to bring down capitalism. i use AIG as an example. the seiu (the largest union in the country) bussed people to the houses of bonus recipients. which brings me to another point. the government tore up contracts between private citizens, which is in direct violation of the constitution. as much as i don't like the bonus amounts, it's a little scary that the government can now interfere with the free market directly. the president firing CEO's is also unsettling.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

SEIU = ACORN and the "community organizers" in NYC in the 70's effectively bankrupt NYC because they tilted so many people to live off welfare.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

SEIU = ACORN and the "community organizers" in NYC in the 70's effectively bankrupt NYC because they tilted so many people to live off welfare.

that's been the plan for the progressive movement. ACORN is a collection of many orginizations with different names. 200 of them approx. all of the big acorn executives were far left radicals in the 60's. all of them were in orginizations whose main goal was to build a fascist (they won't call it that, but it is) framework, stuff the welfare rolls and collapse the capitalist system, leaving their framework behind to "fix things". obama was their attorney, which is an odd fact. i'm sure it's coincidence.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

it's been planned since the 60's. put so many people on government entitlement programs (including these ridiculous home loans) that it will collapse the system, leaving behind a framework for control. this has been planned for many years. anyone who was a part of radical 60's groups such as "students for a democratic society" will understand my theory. alot of those groups have changed their name. acorn is an example. they get billions of stimulus money btw, much of it so they can manipulate the census (which is now under the control of the whitehouse.....what a surprise) in order to change population counts, which can do many things with redistricting and the electoral college.

I don't doubt a lot of what you are saying, in fact I think it is pretty clear that the liberal agenda is to drastically change the nature of America. I am just reluctant to believe they want to purposefully crash the economy. (And I am familiar with some of the radical statements made in the past of taking such an approach).

What do you think happened to NYC in the 70's by "community organizers"?

I don't know to be perfectly honest.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

I don't know to be perfectly honest.

They signed up around 1,000,000 to be on welfare in NYC by 1975

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102750

"HEAT OF THE MOMENT

Scientists to Congress: 'Sky is not falling'

Say global warming alarmism unproven, energy taxes crippling"

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[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

This "bill" will cost each household $1000-$5000 in just electricity. This does not even go into gas or the inflation of companies and farmers who use electricity and gas. This actually steps into your household and car over what? Something every human being exhales, every animal exhales and what all plants need to complete photosynthesis. How is this not an intrusion into your way of life, more of than anything else ever done? This is going to happen to everyone now unless you let your senators know.
The only EU countries who fall into their goals of cutting CO2 output in Europe are countries that shut their factories down A LOT because they can not afford to keep them open year round.

You can't use the excuse " Well we already had $4.20 gas without this bill." , because there is nothing in this bill to stop gas companies from going to $4.20 and what would happen if it went that high is instead of just being $4.20 a gallon it will be between $4.90 to $6.35 under this bill. Add $2500 for the "extra" cost to electricity you are easily talking about $3000 extra per year and we get nothing out of it except MORE dependent on foreign oil and FOREIGN made gas. WHY? because the government would tax the refineries and the domesticated oil companies so much that it will close them down..losing jobs and driving up fuel costs. This does not even get into what it does to the building codes. Lets say you live in Ohio and you bought a house 3 years ago. You look towards selling it in the near future because your wife or live-in girl friend is pregnant and you need a larger house. Under this bill you would have to bring your house up to California building standards before you can sell it. Not only does the the home owner eat those costs but they most also pay for an inspector to test to see if the house meets EPA standards for energy consumption. Do you think average American families can afford $2000-$4000 a year extra for no improvement in anything? What about how bad this will KILL the already destroyed housing market? Im sure every seller can afford $10,000+ to bring their home up to code in a crappy market.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Are you retarded? Your post has absolutely nothing to do with anything I just said. Youre just using it as a poor ****ing excuse to push your political views. Honestly people like you is why I embrace a Eugenics program, and are the reason this country is in such a ****ing mess right now. Its not "liberals", its not "conservatives", its you. Cleanse yourself from the gene pool and save humanity!

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Are you retarded? Your post has absolutely nothing to do with anything I just said. Youre just using it as a poor ****ing excuse to push your political views. Honestly people like you is why I embrace a Eugenics program, and are the reason this country is in such a ****ing mess right now. Its not "liberals", its not "conservatives", its you. Cleanse yourself from the gene pool and save humanity!

Hmm interesting.. a closet progressive statist...also everything you quoted was about this thread...last I looked this was not "heattweakers political view thread" it is a thread about raising the consumers costs so it will prop up a BIGGER government nothing more and take away more of our freedoms.

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

Hmm interesting.. a closet progressive statist...also everything you quoted was about this thread...last I looked this was not "heattweakers political view thread" it is a thread about raising the consumers costs so it will prop up a BIGGER government nothing more and take away more of our freedoms.

Not quite lol, you obviously have very little understanding of politics and governmental systems. its obvious to anyone with half a brain that youre trying to turn this into a "liberals are evil blah blah blah" thread.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Not quite lol, you obviously have very little understanding of politics and governmental systems.

I would say you do as Eugenics IS a progressive theme and has ALWAYS been a statist form of population and cost control.

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

I would say you do as Eugenics IS a progressive theme and has ALWAYS been a statist form of population and cost control.

Eugenics =! population control. Do you even know what it is?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Not quite lol, you obviously have very little understanding of politics and governmental systems. its obvious to anyone with half a brain that youre trying to turn this into a "liberals are evil blah blah blah" thread.

Actually you do not know your history very well. I am a registered Democrate have been for over 20 years. Just not a loon, I do not think government can run a country, I believe that is what WE are for and for doing so we keep our freedom. Government is our structure NOT our Nanny.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under

the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist

program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without

knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas 1948 - from an interview during the presidential campaign

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Eugenics =! population control. Do you even know what it is?

Yup do you know what a statist is?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif apparently not.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Not quite lol, you obviously have very little understanding of politics and governmental systems. its obvious to anyone with half a brain that youre trying to turn this into a "liberals are evil blah blah blah" thread.

liberals aren't evil. they're just intellectually dishonest. they have to be to make their argument for government control and redistribuition. deciding on a form of government comes down to simple human nature in my opinion. capitalism and the free market harness the most basic of all instincts......selfishness. that drive for self spawns ideas and innovation. other forms of government go against human nature, and use the premise that a society in which things are forced upon us, either through taxes, threats, or force will work better. i disagree. i disagree on almost every level of the liberal/marxist idea. we aren't evolved enough yet for a political system like that to work. the day we evolve beyond selfishness (which is impossible, since the entire earth/nature relies on selfish beings looking out for themselves) is the day i will embrace liberalism,marxism,socialism,communism,etc.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

LOL I am waiting to see how he is going to say eugenics is not a form of population control...he will throw out definitions (which when applied is population control to get a desired effect) but was also used for direct population/immigration control of some very RACIST governments LOL...every country whom followed any type of eugenics at the time were AT LEAST Statist countries. It is pretty funny because clearly many of the inferior governments used it and believed in it. Where are they at now?