Vegas Conspiracy?

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

I don’t want a full gun ban. I do want tougher background checks.

I do think high capacity rifles should be more strict.

I have a shot gun for home defense loaded with non lethal rounds. I don’t want to kill a teenager because he took a stupid dare.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

You source Wikipedia?

Not going to spoon feed you here.

Some good graphs here on "gun" crime (source WHO) https://mises.org/blog/gun-control-fails-what-happened-england-ireland-and-canada

Really apart from moving the goal posts and cherry picking you won't find any statistical correlation to prove whatever point it is you think you're going to make here.

Still haven't packed your bags and headed for Mexico where you can be safe from violent crime? How about Jamaica, some of the most draconian gun laws in the world there and it's just a tiny island, surely it's working well there to provide a crime free utopia?

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

I don’t want to kill a teenager because he took a stupid dare.

Because who doesn't do a home invasion "on a dare" when they're a teenager? Right?

Apparently you and I have wildly different definitions of civilization if you feel home invasion is just a child's prank but me owning a rifle is a problem.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Because who doesn't do a home invasion "on a dare" when they're a teenager? Right?
Apparently you and I have wildly different definitions of civilization if you feel home invasion is just a child's prank but me owning a rifle is a problem.

It’s not a problem. But it seems to be a problem for some folks.

Yes when I was young people would do stupid things because it was “cool”.

If you are crazy enough to kill yourself you don’t need a gun. If you need meds to not kill yourself you don’t need a gun.

If you have social issues you don’t need a gun.

I also think any owner should be required to pass a training course.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

It’s not a problem. But it seems to be a problem for some folks. Yes when I was young people would do stupid things because it was “cool”.

If you are crazy enough to kill yourself you don’t need a gun. If you need meds to not kill yourself you don’t need a gun.

If you have social issues you don’t need a gun.

I also think any owner should be required to pass a training course.

Not sure what circles you associate in which home invasion is a hip thing to do.... again, different expectations of civilization I suppose.

IMO if someone can do a crime like that at any age and under any circumstances they're irredeemable and need to be removed from society permanently.

You do realize it's already illegal for nuts, convicts, and drug addicts to own a gun, right?

I'm also not sure you understand the meaning of the word "right". Your would-be ham fisted approach to screen potential gun owners would turn into another "no fly list" where you are deprived of your rights without any oversight, due process, or ability to appeal to the arbitrary whim of some bureaucrat, meanwhile Chicago still manages a few dozen shootings a day by almost exclusively people who did not obtain their guns legally.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

It’s not a problem. But it seems to be a problem for some folks. Yes when I was young people would do stupid things because it was “cool”.

If you are crazy enough to kill yourself you don’t need a gun. If you need meds to not kill yourself you don’t need a gun.

If you have social issues you don’t need a gun.

I also think any owner should be required to pass a training course.

you have a gun i have a gun. you try to use gun. i target practice

 

[Lowflyin 10+ year member]

I don’t want a full gun ban. I do want tougher background checks. I do think high capacity rifles should be more strict.

I have a shot gun for home defense loaded with non lethal rounds. I don’t want to kill a teenager because he took a stupid dare.

Do that here and you go to jail. Shoot to kill, you come in my house uninvited , you die.
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[tymoto21 10+ year member]

The man responsible for the vegas shooting had a clean history and was able to pass all background. check.

There are already many checks and balances in stopping the wrong people from getting guns. It is near impossible to stop all the wrong people and I don't think is some easy "do stricter background checks" fix.

Not only that but once you ban guns bad people resort to other weapons like knives or worse bombs.

London has a strict no gun policy and it's hard to find public trash cans due to so many people putting bombs in them in prior years.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Do that here and you go to jail. Shoot to kill, you come in my house uninvited , you die.
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You say that until you have a kid bleeding out in your living room.

We are not barbarians anymore.

 

[Lowflyin 10+ year member]

You say that until you have a kid bleeding out in your living room. We are not barbarians anymore.

There's 12 year olds here od'ing on heroin, act grown up get treated like one.
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[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

There's 12 year olds here od'ing on heroin, act grown up get treated like one.
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So you would take a life before it even gets started?

That makes us no better then a 3rd world war zone.

 

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you have a gun i have a gun. you try to use gun. i target practice

Let me guess. You are also a sharpshooter..

 

[Lowflyin 10+ year member]

So you would take a life before it even gets started? That makes us no better then a 3rd world war zone.

 

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Let me guess. You are also a sharpshooter..

Bad choices=bad results. I've done some dumb **** when I was young and I'm thankful /lucky to still be here.
If someone ever breaks into my house ill just sit them down on the couch and have a cup of coffee and talk about it. Is that better?

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[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

So you would take a life before it even gets started? That makes us no better then a 3rd world war zone.

 

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Let me guess. You are also a sharpshooter..

when it comes to your mom. yep. no but god its not hard to shoot. may i remember you I am from "the sportsman paradise"?

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

when it comes to your mom. yep. no but god its not hard to shoot. may i remember you I am from "the sportsman paradise"?

I’m fairly verse but I have problems with the grips on tactical pistols.

Shooting is a art.