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[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

And how do you propose we do that?

Manufacture again and take some of the worthless regulations off and allow technology to spread via a more free market society.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Manufacture again and take some of the worthless regulations off and allow technology to spread via a more free market society.

Oh okay, so no regulations and manufacturing means no poor people? So we never had any poor people before the 20th century?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Oh okay, so no regulations and manufacturing means no poor people? So we never had any poor people before the 20th century?

Fewer poor people and they were not living off the government...then again back then they could raise their own food without the federal government using the commerce clause(thats a regulation) to shut them down. You want to paint this pretty picture of government being nice and you ignore what government has done bad. Same thing can be said about health care ...when a government subsidizes anything it drives the price up for everyone else.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Fewer poor people

LOL.

Google Answers: Poverty Rate in US

In the late 1800s, 30 to 50 percent of families were in poverty. In 1950 the poverty rate was about 30 percent?or twice the current level. The century-long trend in poverty shows clear improvement.

Like I said, you seem to just make **** up as you go along.

Same thing can be said about health care ...when a government subsidizes anything it drives the price up for everyone else.

So why do we pay twice what other countries that have fully socialized healthcare pay per person?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

LOL.
Google Answers: Poverty Rate in US

Wow Google answers! What was considered poverty in the 1800's??? What is considered poverty now? Could you get by on the median income back in 1890? Did you need that income because you could raise your own food? Did people need electricity back then or could they more openly burn wood to heat their homes? Total population of the USA in 1890 was 62,947,714, 30% of that is 19 million roughly, now our population is 308,745,538, 2009 poverty rate of 14.3% equals more than 44 million people in poverty now, even if you go by the 50% mark you are still well short based on actual numbers of people in poverty. You try to mash statistics as actual numbers which means you also fail at statistics as well as comprehension of ways poverty may be measured in different time periods. Going off of your use of statistics China's poverty level went way down recently....you would also be ignoring the fact they lowered the bar on what they called poverty. If you would like I can bastardize statistics just like you do to make you look like more of an idiot within the same context you just tried to bastardize what I said. What could you get with 6 dollars back in 1890? What can you get for 6 bucks now? Did they have unemployment and food stamps in 1890? Could a person afford to sit around on their ***** and wait for a government hand out in 1890? If you lived on a small farm in 1890 were you considered living below poverty?

Like I said, you seem to just make **** up as you go along.

I don't know what I am talking about? Yet you throw around these statistics and you do not know jack shit on what the figures mean

So why do we pay twice what other countries that have fully socialized health care pay per person?

Does 40+ % of their population not pay taxes? Do they pay higher tax rates as a whole? Do they have doctor shortages? Do WE subsidize their technology? Do WE subsidize their prescription drugs?

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Does 40+ % of their population not pay taxes? Do they pay higher tax rates as a whole? Do they have doctor shortages? Do WE subsidize their technology? Do WE subsidize their prescription drugs?

Do you ever actually answer a question instead of just asking 10 other questions?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Do you ever actually answer a question instead of just asking 10 other questions?

No and the reason I don't is because you are one of those idiots who tries to define everything in an argument and bastardize it into what you want. You already have shown you do not know much about what you repeat. I am starting to think you have feathers and your favorite thing to say is "Proximity want a cracker".

Just for the record I asked 5 questions and not 10, and if you bothered to research what I asked you would have a pretty decent start on an answer to what you asked.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

There were actually 15 questions in that last rant of yours.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

There were actually 15 questions in that last rant of yours.

And yet you only brought up 5? Oh my goodness.

111th Congress Added More Debt Than First 100 Congresses Combined: $10,429 Per Person in U.S.

111th Congress Added More Debt Than First 100 Congresses Combined: $10,429 Per Person in U.S. | CNSnews.com

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

111th Congress Added More Debt Than First 100 Congresses Combined: $10,429 Per Person in U.S.111th Congress Added More Debt Than First 100 Congresses Combined: $10,429 Per Person in U.S. | CNSnews.com

Two wars and staving off another great depression will do that.

 

[ozzy87 10+ year member]

proxy do you just get on here to talk about politics?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Two wars and staving off another great depression will do that.

I thought the war in Iraq was over?

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

proxy do you just get on here to talk about politics?

Pretty much. I don't care too much about car audio anymore. Better things to spend my money on. Like...other aspects of my car.

 

[HCCA 10+ year member]

Sorry, I'm late to the game. I skipped to this point after reading the first 14 pages. Just thought this would enlighten a few; entertain others. But, for the leftists out there (Proxi... et al), there is no convincing a moonbat of anything! So, I'm not going to try.

I'm going to read the rest of this thread, tomorrow. Spider Monkey, you ROCK!

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Hey, why not just REALLY cut costs on healthcare and just removes hospitals completely? That way we just won't have any healthcare costs because we won't have any healthcare! Problem solved! Check please!

Seriously, these types of arguments are pure, absolute, complete bullshit. Other countries with completely nationalized healthcare ("free" healthcare) pay half what we do per person on healthcare. Free healthcare does not drive up costs. Period.