torn spiders?

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

listen to us, fucktard. every single person in this thread but YOU gets it.

If you set your gains as if the h/u was putting out 3 volts, the amp will put out more power than if it was set for 4 volts. Therefore, the amps were putting out MORE power than the subs were rated for. Since the subs were in a larger box than recommended, they exceeded their mechanical limits, thus tearing the spiders.

A sub in a larger box will naturally have more excursion than the same sub in a smaller box. Since the Type Xs were in an oversized box, they were more prone to exceed their mechanical limits, even if they were given their RMS power. That's why manufacturers have box specs.

My head unit has 4v preouts, too (Clarion DXZ955MC) and the gains on all my amps were set using an appropriate tone and a multimeter. All my gains are somewhere around 1/4 of the way up. 3/4 of the way up is faaaaaar too high.

Again,

http://www.bcae1.com

Read it, and don't come back until you have.

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

i know that the speaker was over powered mechanically but you never once presented that possibility till now you clearly argued that the amp was pushing more than the thermal rateing of the subs which is 1000

No. I said it is POSSIBLE to put out more than it's rated power. And the coils may hold up just fine past 1000rms but I can't really say without testing it myself. I've seen the Type-R coil take much more than it's rated 500rms. I've also seen them struggle mechanically with power over their RMS values.

I never presented the possibility of it being over powered mechanically because that was blatantly obvious for everybody who is not functionally retarded.

Your attitude ruins your threads. That is what causes us to post insults and flames at you. Your cocky and all knowing posts that are full of fallacy beg for correction. When they're corrected, you try to argue back with more failed arguments and misinformation. Your arrogance and pride ruins your threads.

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

this thread makes me proud to be on ca.com //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

well i am saying he is not even getting 2000 out of them, if that be the case... clipping shouldn't be an issue

Clipping shpouldn't be an issue???!!!

Thanks for the tip. I'm going to go turn my gains all the way to 11 now.

Out of curiosity where are the rips? Along where the tinsels are woven in?

BTW: I have an Alpine 9835 and my amplifiers produce full power with me only turning gain 25% if that. That is according to my trusty DMM, not my lousy ears. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Your headunit WILL NOT, I repeat WILL NOT put out 4V rms out the pre-outs... all the time.

In fact, it VERY rarely does.

nG

 

[02parkave 5,000+ posts]

i dont think he will ever figure this stuff out... but it sure makes good sig quotes! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

listen to us, fucktard. every single person in this thread but YOU gets it.If you set your gains as if the h/u was putting out 3 volts, the amp will put out more power than if it was set for 4 volts. Therefore, the amps were putting out MORE power than the subs were rated for. Since the subs were in a larger box than recommended, they exceeded their mechanical limits, thus tearing the spiders.

A sub in a larger box will naturally have more excursion than the same sub in a smaller box. Since the Type Xs were in an oversized box, they were more prone to exceed their mechanical limits, even if they were given their RMS power. That's why manufacturers have box specs.

My head unit has 4v preouts, too (Clarion DXZ955MC) and the gains on all my amps were set using an appropriate tone and a multimeter. All my gains are somewhere around 1/4 of the way up. 3/4 of the way up is faaaaaar too high.

Again,

http://www.bcae1.com

Read it, and don't come back until you have.

again read it yourself!!! i have said repeatedly that he want to have full power from the amps when the radio is at 50%..... to do this you would have to set the gain to 2V which is half of the total power of the preout... then by setting it to 3 volts he is turning it down even more makeing it reach full amp output(1000w) at 2/3 volume... or 3V output if you'd listened to me you'd know this to be true

 

[Twistid 5,000+ posts]

hey cotjones, im in fayetteville, if you want i can show you how to set gains properly ... infact theres quite a few knowledgeable people here in the fayetteville area...

since i dont know you but your a local ill try to help you out... what these people are saying is true... just because its "only 3/4" of the way up does not mean anything, since he has an alpine headunit it most likely has 4 volt preouts in which case 3/4 of the way up is probably driving it into clipping

i have 2 volt preouts and i reach clipping point right at the 3/4 mark on my sundown 1500...

also, why do you have 2 different size woofers in your signature? do you really run that setup daily in your car? id like to hear it sometime if you dont mind... ok take it easy dude

 

[Twistid 5,000+ posts]

again read it yourself!!! i have said repeatedly that he want to have full power from the amps when the radio is at 50%..... to do this you would have to set the gain to 2V which is half of the total power of the preout... then by setting it to 3 volts he is turning it down even more makeing it reach full amp output(1000w) at 2/3 volume... or 3V output if you'd listened to me you'd know this to be true

hey dude, sorry but that makes no sence what so ever... your logic is completly wrong and infact... mind boggling

really dude, if you want help come on down to fayetteville and we can help you out... no offence but your trying to understand stuff that you have no idea about which obviously destroyed your friends system (but i think i read he did it to himself, but whatever...)

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

No. I said it is POSSIBLE to put out more than it's rated power. And the coils may hold up just fine past 1000rms but I can't really say without testing it myself. I've seen the Type-R coil take much more than it's rated 500rms. I've also seen them struggle mechanically with power over their RMS values.
I never presented the possibility of it being over powered mechanically because that was blatantly obvious for everybody who is not functionally retarded.

Your attitude ruins your threads. That is what causes us to post insults and flames at you. Your cocky and all knowing posts that are full of fallacy beg for correction. When they're corrected, you try to argue back with more failed arguments and misinformation. Your arrogance and pride ruins your threads.

this is rediculous... this thread consisded of these things in order:

1.me asking a question

2.getting flamed with no answer

3.getting flamed with an answer to the question that i knew not to be true and had asked to be unconsidered

4. getting flamed more, explaining why i asked for thermal failure to not be considered

5.getting told that you knew the real answer the whole time you were flameing but just didn't say it because it seemed "too obvious" but infact some people did give the correct answer that i discovered to be true, and i thanked them

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Your headunit WILL NOT, I repeat WILL NOT put out 4V rms out the pre-outs... all the time.
In fact, it VERY rarely does.

nG

I never said it did... ???

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

again read it yourself!!! i have said repeatedly that he want to have full power from the amps when the radio is at 50%..... to do this you would have to set the gain to 2V which is half of the total power of the preout... then by setting it to 3 volts he is turning it down even more makeing it reach full amp output(1000w) at 2/3 volume... or 3V output if you'd listened to me you'd know this to be true

Yes because volume and gain is always directly proportional //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Use a dmm and show everybody the numbers. The sonner you do that, then the sooner they will all shut up about gains and power output. Until then, you are juat a dumbass for using your ear or guestimation methods for dialing in that much power.

Of course once we get you to use a dmm and proper gain setting, then we will move on to badgering you about how you have no clue about the differene between thermal power handling(electrical) and mechanical power handling in relation to alignments. So basically you are just screwed for being a dumbass who opens his mouth too much.

 

[Twistid 5,000+ posts]

hey guy, lots of people on this site are assholes, just take it and keep goin, its only the internet!

again, if you want help from nice guys come on down to fayetteville , not all of us are gun tote'in gangsters in the fayettenam //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Clipping shpouldn't be an issue???!!!
Thanks for the tip. I'm going to go turn my gains all the way to 11 now.

Out of curiosity where are the rips? Along where the tinsels are woven in?

BTW: I have an Alpine 9835 and my amplifiers produce full power with me only turning gain 25% if that. That is according to my trusty DMM, not my lousy ears. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

ok, so if the amps are putting out what they are rated for or less how is clipping an issue, genius? they are both torn along the ridges of the spider

 

[Twistid 5,000+ posts]

ok, so if the amps are putting out what they are rated for or less how is clipping an issue, genius? they are both torn along the ridges of the spider

hey they arnt putting out what they are rated for because they are clipping, they are putting out a dirty extremly powerfull signal that destroyed the subwoofer

when you properly set your gains with a clean signal you can usually overpower your speakers quite a bit ! i have nearly 200 watt rms going to my 65 watt rms interior speakers and they still do great!

i dont think you read my comments before, but dude, really, you honistly dont know what your doing, its nice that your trying to learn but dont argue and just read! what these people are saying about you not knowing stuff and making stuff up sounds to be true... goto the amplifier section and read the gain setting tutorial, you will need a dmm and if you have one an o-scope...

if you need more help you can pm me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif